FAC application conditions

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llwynog

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Hello all, I've been reading these posts with interest, because I know from personal experience how variable this can be. I had no real problem getting an open ticket. But two years after when I asked to add a .243 to an already existing 6.5mm and .22/250 you'd have thought I'd asked for an open ticket with a .50 for vermin!!! Initially they didn't reply or do anything with it, when I phoned and phoned I finally got through to the head guy, who's now been forced to resign, he would allow the rifle but only on nominated ground i.e closed ticket and not for foxes. Eventually after much 'discussion' I had the .243 on open and for foxes and deer.
A couple of years later a friend of mine applied to the same force for a rimfire for vermin and .223 for foxing, and bearing in mind this guy has zero firearms experience was granted an open ticket right from the off. Mind you he did have friends in the force. What I find most amusing is that now some two years later he's still not bought a centrefire. Can't really display a need there then!
 

paul k

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llwynog said:
Hello all, I've been reading these posts with interest, because I know from personal experience how variable this can be. I had no real problem getting an open ticket. But two years after when I asked to add a .243 to an already existing 6.5mm and .22/250 you'd have thought I'd asked for an open ticket with a .50 for vermin!!! Initially they didn't reply or do anything with it, when I phoned and phoned I finally got through to the head guy, who's now been forced to resign, he would allow the rifle but only on nominated ground i.e closed ticket and not for foxes. Eventually after much 'discussion' I had the .243 on open and for foxes and deer.
A couple of years later a friend of mine applied to the same force for a rimfire for vermin and .223 for foxing, and bearing in mind this guy has zero firearms experience was granted an open ticket right from the off. Mind you he did have friends in the force. What I find most amusing is that now some two years later he's still not bought a centrefire. Can't really display a need there then!

This sounds a lot to me like the North Wales force. The guy in question may have been the one who wouldn't let me have boar on my .270 despite the fact that I had fulfilled all the Home Office guideline conditions because "the Chief doesn't want to be a ground breaker on this issue."

The first reason that they had put up was that boar didn't need culling and they were all on enclosed land and during the ensuing "discussion" it transpired that he thought that all deer stalking also took place behind the fences of enclosed estates ..... unbelievable!!!

I suggested to him that he was not required to take a view on whether boar needed culling just to deal with the request for a variation on its merits. I even had to send him off to get a copy of the Home Office guideleines as he didn't think that they referred specifically to boar, which of course they do.

The long and short of it was that apparently this guy had his house raided and a quantity of unlicenced firearms and ammunition was discovered following which strangely no charges were bought but he apparently took retirement.

From what I hear his replacement is much more sensible and things have improved.
 

Offroad Gary

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i have finally got that letter from my supervisor (lord lucan) and it was sent to TVP HQ for delivery before 9 today, to a named person who has said it shouldnt take too long and she would walk it through the system. with it is a map of my new land which is already cleared for .243, and a letter saying there is a real fox prioblem that needs dealing with urgently.

so i have ticked all the boxes now, and can be taken off supervision, any predictions when my ticket will come back?

no prizes for the winner!

ps. i'm of to practice shooting some targets under lamp light this weekend with 80gn soft points! ;)
 

Offroad Gary

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certificate is now back, no supervision condition.

dated 21/12/2008
posted 28/12/2008
recieved 29/12/2008

not a bad turn around for the ticket, but a bit slow to get to the post room!

variation application for .308 in post today... watch this space
 

Offroad Gary

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meeting with plod tonight to discuss my .308 variation appliaction, and my wifes SGC application.

the guns will be in the same cabinet (12g, .22rf, .243, .308). she wont be told that the keys are hid under the bed with my porn!

oops.
 

Beowulf

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:lol: Yeah there is that! what is it they say in the film 'Full Metal Jacket' 'This is my rifle, this is my gun, this is for fighting this is for fun!' :lol:
 

swampy

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sgc and fac in the same cupboard.

Hi Guys, this is an interesting one that i have been asked about a few times.

a shotgun certificate holder can't have access to your firearms or ammunition. so what i recoment is that you weld a loop on the end of one of the rawl bolts then put a bike lock through the trigger guards of your rifles. this will prevent unauthorised access.

I have read this thread with some interest and i have a few observations to make. Today i also was reading the licencing advise for firearms for the police from the home office.

1) a DSC1 course is not an obligation, However the guidance says the applicant needs to demonstrate some knowledge and experience of firearms.

2) mentoring is not an obligation, but really do we want guys who have read the shooting times twice going to buy a .30-06. (like me!) and shooting at the wrong deer, in a dangerous place, with the wrong bullets

In my opinion Mentoring is a sensible condition that can be removed quickly and easily with a brief letter to the Licensing office. The Dsc is maybe a formal way to do this I don't like it and i don't think it should be a stipulation.

3) open tickets. the guidance mentions that not all stalkers have access to thier own land and a lot rely on paid days. If you want an open ticket YOU need to say that sometimes you go away to stalk as an invitee. You may need to provide evidence of this. An invite by email from one of our friends on here or two would suffice)

4) the conditions on your certificate become binding once they are on it and you sign it. if you breach them conditions that have been imposed then you can be liable. So we need to get it right. Ask for what you want, explain why you need it, don't explain the FEO to have a really deep knowledge of firearms but he or she will be a reasonable person and thier agenda is not to knock you back.

5) the outrageous delays. Last year the home office made the police forces go to a centralised national database, as we know. This entailed entering all the old stuff onto the system from paper files and locally held computer files. at the same time this happenned normal business continued. In the office there are enough staff to do the normal busines JUST. The home office didn't pay for extra staff hours for them to do overtime etc. so it took an age.

I hope this clarifies things. The most important thing is not to immediately assume its the anti shooter agenda that the shooting media like to portray. talk to the officers, ask for an explanation when you need one, but equally be prepared to give one.

swampy
 

308boy

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Cheers

Swampy,

well done on the clear response.

but what you are not grapsing is it is the LAW the the police are to enforce.

NOT the law by their interpretation. The guidlines are clear and really should be posted online for reference.

If i want a 30-06 and do not know what a deer looks like there is no law to say i cannot have one, as long as i am a good boy without a record.

any way that would be a no brainer as they could shoot fox to red deer without falling foul of the laws..................as all is legal

Anyone applying for or renewing a firearms application should sek professional guidance from BASC, SGA or similar.

Our ignorance and fear is fodder for FLO.
 

Offroad Gary

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plod said ok to .308, for deer and fox while stalking, but not deer and fox.

he's even going to let "the long haired general" have a shotgun cert, and we only have to have one cabinet, as long as i dont tell her where the keys are.

about 5 weeks to get certificates through! (he did improve on this last time).
 
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