Fast and flat - really??.....

[willyroe]

I often hear/read, xxx round is amazing, fast and flat etc. i can understand velocity variance on a round and the impact when shooting game but i am yet to see a particularly flat round - i.e where the flatness can be useful to a stalker/shooter.

I am very boring, i shoot a .243 100g factory round, i know its is plumb at 100m and drops about 3 inches for 200m. I.e. i know where i am/what adjustment needs to be made. Perhaps incorrectly i dont regard it as being flat.

Looking at other calibres, using basic info on say the federal website, the trend seems to be that almost all rifle rounds drop between 2 and 4 inches at 200m (if zeroed at 100m).

Is there anything out there which is flat or has miminal drop between 100m and 200m or is it impossible? Is the "its a very flat round" only true when comparing the above with a 200g .270 round?

 

[mathieson]

Hi willyroe I agree with you I also shoot a 243 zero'd at 100 yrds and know that at 200 It will shoot a couple of inches low so I to get very tired with other people telling me how I should be shooting xyz calibre because it shoots flatter what a load of ******** if you shoot within the capabilities ofcboth your self and your rifle/calibre combination you wont go far wrong

 

[jcampbellsmith]

....I am very boring, i shoot a .243 100g factory round, i know its is plumb at 100m and drops about 3 inches for 200m. ...

Wouldn't it be better to zero your 243 to be 1 inch high at 100yds? That's what I was shown to do in Perthshire in the late '60s and I have been zeroed like that ever since. MPBR is a good subject to read up on.

Regards

JCS

 

[rabbitter]

That would give you 'point and shoot' within a one inch kill zone from 10yds out to 195yds as opposed to the current setting which is 15yds to 150yds. (Based on guessing muzzle velocity n stuff!)

regards

​Ian

 

[tackb]

remember 209 , 2" high at 100 0 at 200 and 9" low at 300 , most calibres are within an inch of this and remembering it will get you killing hits out to 300.

 

[bewsher500]

only really becomes noticeable when you start getting near to and breaking 4000fps in lighter, smaller calibres

within reason almost all stalking calibres shoot within a inch or two of each other inside normal stalking distances

 

[multiman]

Hi I would describe my 25-06 as fast and flat compaired to my 308 which is losing speed and and falling faster. I dont think its a problem as long as you know your rifle and choice of bullet.

 

[jamross65]

Hurrah! At last a sensible thread on MV and trajectory!!!!

A knowledgable few commenting who obviously read and know a bit about ballistics.

I get so fed up reading that this round is better than that round as it shoots flatter. As pointed out above, they all shoot so close to one another out to stalking distances you wouldn't notice!

Now all some need to realise is the energy different chambering's produce because of the speed and we will all be educated!!!!

And then we can move on to the BC of bullets not making a jot of difference either out to 200yds!!!!

 

[tackb]

Hi I would describe my 25-06 as fast and flat compaired to my 308 which is losing speed and and falling faster. I dont think its a problem as long as you know your rifle and choice of bullet.

compare 110g bullets in both calibres , theres an inch in it at 300 ?

 

[Klenchblaize]

My 22 Hornet is super-flat out to 100 yards. When so zeroed!

K

 

[jamross65]

My 22 Hornet is super-flat out to 100 yards. When so zeroed!

K

Really? With a 3" high zero at 100yds to be bang on at 300?
​

 

[jamross65]

My 22 Hornet is super-flat out to 100 yards. When so zeroed!

K

​My mistake K, I misread your post!

 

[jamross65]

My 22 Hornet is super-flat out to 100 yards. When so zeroed! K

Mind, a 308 zeroed at the same distance is within 0.1" of the 22......

 

[223]

bullet drop is only a issue if you dont know it !!!!

 

[Klenchblaize]

​My mistake K, I misread your post!

You are forgiven!

Try as I might all foxes I encounter seem hell-bent on providing perfect practice for the 100 yard DSCL1 shooting test or BSRC Buck competition!

Cheers

K

 

[Heym SR20]

At 200 yds bullet drop of 3" is the thickness of the thin cross hair on a 4a reticle at 6x power or thereabouts. Deer fills the centre between the thick posts, Vertical crosshair in line with offside front leg, and equal brown above and below horizontal cross hair and squeeze equals a deer in the larder. If deer doesn't fill centre, then get a bit closer - and yes for smaller deer you do need to be closer as less room for error.

 

[see it shoot it]

bullet drop is only a issue if you dont know it !!!!

exactly,I cant get over how many people just guess by zeoring 1 inch high at 100 yards,get the boards out and actually see what your rig is doing,it may surprize a few

 

[RCS Deer Management]

not a stalking round but my .243 using 58grain hornady v-max zeroed 2 inches high at 100 yards , spot on at 240 , 3 inches low at 300 , its grait for fox's and its about the flattest foxing round I know of

 

[willyroe]

A nice selection of replies. I can see the method to zeroing up so you shoot high at 100 yards then plumb for say 200' i guess it depends on what is your most common shot range. that said, for a simpleton i would stick to drop only.

 

[willyroe]

At 200 yds bullet drop of 3" is the thickness of the thin cross hair on a 4a reticle at 6x power or thereabouts. Deer fills the centre between the thick posts, Vertical crosshair in line with offside front leg, and equal brown above and below horizontal cross hair and squeeze equals a deer in the larder. If deer doesn't fill centre, then get a bit closer - and yes for smaller deer you do need to be closer as less room for error.

I like your approach! I was on the hill one time with a stalker, I asked about adjustment for a 180 yard shot with the deer in my sights, he said "straight at it sonny jim"!!.... Job done.