cookingfat
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I guessing he's asking about potential ricochet from dispatching shot?
finally achieved DSC 2!
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Yes I got that in just whats the right answer
None of your choices are great
Shoot it anyway and just hope you live
Jump in there with your knife like Rambo
Leave it
In my case the deer was dead by the time we got there but I don't know what I'd have done if it wasn't
Did DSC 1 in 2002 and having dipped in and out of stalking for nearly 20 years i decided to do DSC 1 again in 2022 as refresher with the intention of doing DSC 2 fairly promptly, I have just registered last week for it and started the process, all going well il complete this year
Well done! the level 2 has been down degraded in the eyes of many though and its become something of an irrelevance . Shame but true , pen culling of one deer being allowed and stalks consisting of getting out the truck resting on the bonnet . We had a minimum of three stalks and we where questioned deeply and it was common to be refused a pass but told to gather more evidence . I
No disrespect intended at all that's the way it is , get more candidates in and more passed
When i did mine
it was 3 witnessed deer Minimum and a write-up of each , many where told to gather more evidence ( you could not fail but you could not pass until the internal verifier was 100% happy ) most put in at least double the required 3 end to end stalks because it was common to be refused and told " please gather more evidence " . I put in a good half dozen stalks because it was common to be told ( please gather more evidence ) and re-submit
Are Stalkers of say 20 years ago better trained ? Perhaps not, in some respects ! However what it has become possible is to pass without true stalking ( my witness it was also no high seats , his own rule ) as it was not a stalk , even though the qual did allow them ! . I was fine with that because its not " stalking " planning and descriptions of your stalks was paramount written down. My witness was also questioned somewhat to verify our stories matched up
The vast amount of pro stalkers today do not ever take level 2 but DMQ gets more payments , i suppose ? You can book for Aran stalking etc as a level 1 and an FAC.
No disrespect intended at all that's the way it is , get more candidates in and more passed
When i did mine
it was 3 witnessed deer Minimum and a write-up of each , many where told to gather more evidence ( you could not fail but you could not pass until the internal verifier was 100% happy ) most put in at least double the required 3 end to end stalks because it was common to be refused and told " please gather more evidence " . I put in a good half dozen stalks because it was common to be told ( please gather more evidence ) and re-submit
Are Stalkers of say 20 years ago better trained ? Perhaps not, in some respects ! However what it has become possible is to pass without true stalking ( my witness it was also no high seats , his own rule ) as it was not a stalk , even though the qual did allow them ! . I was fine with that because its not " stalking " planning and descriptions of your stalks was paramount written down. My witness was also questioned somewhat to verify our stories matched up
The vast amount of pro stalkers today do not ever take level 2 but DMQ gets more payments , i suppose ? You can book for Aran stalking etc as a level 1 and an FAC.
So the point is around not being able to take a follow up shot as there is a risk of ricochet. I asked "what type of deer"..."what relevance is that"..."well im not getting in a ditch with a massive red stag if hes thrashing about"....The point I made was the only way to deal with it is to go and stick it with a knife. I would opt for the bleeding point in the chest rather then try and slit its throat...that seemed ok
Dont disagree but they make the rules and we stick to them. Having DSC2 doesnt make us better .... just ticks the box
As Ive said I know guys with way more experience and no DSC2 and I learn from them...not the other way round
Of course ! I was really just commenting on the fact that its become an irrelevance to take level 2 now While DMQ use it as a cash cow .Dont disagree but they make the rules and we stick to them. Having DSC2 doesnt make us better .... just ticks the box
i don’t make the rules! maybe they will change it back at some stage.
I was not criticizing any person who takes it , let me say that very clear . I do not think the bar can be re-raised
either - sort of is what it is till dies off to a one hit Level one that is more in depth?
Considering one can’t change the way DMQ now want the DSC2 to be done your post is basically saying how much harder you had it yeah. Well done
A little bit harsh there mate. To be fair I imagine it was almost 3 times the effortConsidering one can’t change the way DMQ now want the DSC2 to be done your post is basically saying how much harder you had it yeah. Well done
Not harsh really when the same old record gets played every time anyone mentions DSC2. It really getting boring with guys and big chips on their shoulders because they did it when it was so much harder. Not the place for it on this thread when the OP was just expressing how he was pleased to have completed it. Doesn't need to be basically told, well done but its not as hard as it used to be.A little bit harsh there mate. To be fair I imagine it was almost 3 times the effort
Fair point
Despite the interview I enjoyed the process and its nice to do a qualification related to something you enjoy for a change and good on all those who do it (regardless of its is easier or harder then it used to be ).
I ended up doing 7 qualifying stalks to get all the details the guy on the other end of the evidence trail wanted. I actually ended up with two complete portfolios.
I was very lucky as managed it in one stalk but I found I’ve learned so much since doing it as I needed the DSC2 in order to do what I do now.
3 Stalks to complete wouldn’t have made a blind bit of deference to me as I only learned once I had it and continued to this day. Being out on my own and speaking to others has been the real learning.
Praise to anyone that completes it if 1 or 3 or 7 Stalks. I think it’s great to just complete it.
Yes DMQ have gone a bit off target I agree. The fact is we all have no choice now as it’s changed and any amount of bleating about it won’t make them back pedal.
3 Stalks to complete wouldn’t have made a blind bit of deference to me as I only learned once I had it and continued to this day. Being out on my own and speaking to others has been the real learning.
Praise to anyone that completes it if 1 or 3 or 7 Stalks. I think it’s great to just complete it.
Yes DMQ have gone a bit off target I agree. The fact is we all have no choice now as it’s changed and any amount of bleating about it won’t make them back pedal.
norma 308
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Ha !A little bit harsh there mate. To be fair I imagine it was almost 3 times the effort
I luckily did mine in 4 stalks for three deer but back then I had some great ground and fabulous aftershave sadly the manufacturer of the aftershave went bankrupt and my current stuff is shocking last two stalks were blanks !
I should really say " more credible" and more " robust " . So much has been dropped in terms of " challenging " the candidate and their knowledge . The qual was hence more worthwhile . In no way am I trying to say we had it worst ! contrary to how your statement we had it better . Three witnessed stalks ( minimum) but often the candidate was told to gather more evidence . No park culling of semi or pretty much domesticated deer . A stalk should never be get out the 4x4 with the wind blowing over your back towards your quarry ( who might even approach the shooter ) as they step out of the 4x4 )Considering one can’t change the way DMQ now want the DSC2 to be done your post is basically saying how much harder you had it yeah. Well done
Remember the std was a MINIMUM of three stalks planned and executed , then field gralloched . Many or most where told to "gather more evidence " after questioning . This made the process more robust and frankly more respected .
On the flip side Level 1 has in the main part improved from when i did mine . A candidate who read the guide in advance would pass the theory every time , so long as he did eventually pass the shooting test after a few goes 3 if memory serves me ?
Many Nations have an annual shooting test to pass ( not a bad idea i think ) No pass and they might have to forgo the shooting side of the hunt till NEXT SEASON . I wonder how British stalkers would handle that ? Some get stuffy if the Stalker asks his Client to take three shots a the target , before the armed stalk proper.
But previously the more rigours the more it was respected than the more doors it opened to the holder . A qual ( ANY Qual ) needs that , shooting park deer and driving up to a fence in deer ? Level 2 and you had to write up all your stalks witnessed , no fenced in and no tame park deer , real stalking . My witness had one rule over and above DMQ and it was " no high seat beasts to be involved in the 3 minimum " As the canditate wasn't actually planning and compleating a STALK . DMQ where fine with it but i 100% agreed with my mentor . I do shoot from high seats on occasions but its really not " a stalk" - Yet now we have 1 kill and one gralloch and inspect and maybe they just drove the 4x4 into easy range and shot a semi domesticated beast eating the carrots the nice man set out .Considering one can’t change the way DMQ now want the DSC2 to be done your post is basically saying how much harder you had it yeah. Well done
Don't take this as . an insult to those who got their level 2 doing 1 beast and performed a passible stalk please - Instead think in who benefits the most if we did things like they where done ie fair chase , no fed deer , multi culls . Remember you could not fail the DSC2 as such , far from it indeed your portfolio just had to reach a given standard and the bare bones minimum was set at 3 deer all fully wild
just in case anyone is wondering i did not shoot a park deer nor did i sit in a 4x4 or sit in a high seat. no carrots were involved either
i had to stalk in to 41metres on a pair of roe deer because i couldn’t get a clear safe shot otherwise.
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