glenogle, not stalking but on the grouse, and being back home.

Just been up with the boss for 3 days and it was fliping cracking,

got there on thursday and went out for a walk on the hill and just missed out on being evening meal for the midges so that was ok,the scenery was just stunning and makes me very homesick,the rain was just about finished laying the foundations for a wet night to come but that was fine as we headed back to the lodge.

I did ask if there was ever any deer on the estate and was told there are no deer on the estate now and its being run as a grouse/partridge shoot,and all the deer had been eradicated from the estate.(circa 19.000 acres)

so back to the shooting lodge for the boss and then back to the hotel at glenesk and what a nice hotel, the food was oh so good as was the company, and with a bed that big i got lost in it :)

Well i got up at about 7 ready for those bacon eggs black pudding tattie scones and some baked beans, aw went down whaoot tuchin the sides, what a hearty breakfast, right, back up stairs and one with the tweeds boots and gaiters (jungle bug spray to hand,) flat cap and my gloves.

I then loaded up the range rover with everything ready for the day on the hill in those old wet buts, and just as i was about to jump in there was a sight for sore eyes.there walking along the road in front of the hotel was a man in his 60's/70's with a beret and hackle (red and white) yellow reflective top walking sticks and boot and a pair of tweed trousers that would rip the skin off your legs, I thought it was the local village nutter on his way to shout at the traffic that drove through the village to fast etc, but I was informed this guy walks the 15 miles to the main A90 and back every morning to raise funds for H4H, so good on him and lang may yer lum reich, (I was told his name but it slips my mind sat here trying to recall the whole thing after the drive back today ?)

so on to the hill, well the shooting lodge to pick up the boss, spot on time,safety briefing done guns assembled from the flat case into the slips, carts in the bags and ready to go, the first drive was about 30 mins into the estate and up at some godforsaken height, parked the vehicles up and out we got,

Weather report, overcast light winds and no midges

Q, where's the buts neebs.(translation, excuse me neighbour where are the gun buts ? )
A, what peg are you sir
A, 4 thank you ?
A, about another 300 yards up there,
R, really
A, yes sir.

Well i'll be (can't say that) anyway about 10 mins later im in number 4 but. guns live as soon as you're in yehaa.

1st drive...............shoot don't they come at you fast and low (burger they are fantastic at contour flying........makes them harder to hit too) not bad numbers and with about 9 brace down 3 pricked not bad for the first drive,

2nd drive was about 3 miles further into the heather festooned mountains, and a wee bit higher still.range rover provided well for most of that as before. so same again park up and then climb some more, not doing to bad, 2 up so now in but 6.........HIGH UP THE HILL... ****me all that was missing wiz the snow. very hard ta see these ones but again not a bad drive, 5 brace with only one pricked bird.(ps: at this time we had elevensies :) )

3rd drive, Glad we had the range rover i was starting ta blow a bit now,not to far to this one but still enough to say that we needed transport, 2 up now in but 8. got dropped of about 20 yards from it and we where just about all on a level playing field, been told these come at you very high so good high birds,

you're having a laugh.............how high they looked like migies on steroids from where i was stood, anyway 4 brace form 10 shots taken so it was a great result for us and the boys in the lower numbered buts had some very good numbers so overall a good drive.

time for lunch and a chat with the lads and lassies doing all the beating etc,so after that i was now topped up, and with a can of irn brew in my pocket and a mars bar for later im happy as larry (by the way who is larry ? )

4th drive, feeling full and refreshed and rested...........bring them on,...............back in the range rover...but wait for it......what the **** is this... 2 up again im in but 1, holy mother of god

Q,is that really where i have to get too,
A, yes sir

I need help, don't worry sir you can have a run up on the argocat when it gets here, :) boy was i happy with that, even so when i got there i still had to climb some 100 yards up a ski jump slop, as said before all that was missing again was the snow.but look on the bright side still no migies, cracking drive and a good % of hits to shots taken,

shots taken 32, birds 23.......:), head keeper said he was not happy with the bird numbers on this drive but boy was there some birds there to take, :) well happy.

5th and final drive,

only about 1 mile from the one we just had, and a new drive for this season, got there at the front of the que and was happy to be in but 3 as it was not to far to walk, we are now right on top of an escarpment and with some of the best views i have seen in many a year i was happy to be able to see it and take it all in, the colours of the hills in that overcast light was breathtaking, the sight of all that i call home was just great, oops getting drawn in there,

the drive came in hard and fast, the birds were at their best this time and we lost out a wee bit.

17 shots fired and just 11 birds hit, 9 down and 2 pricked, off went the whistle and the days shooting was at an end, now let the drinks flow and a big thank you to all the beaters, pickers up, the dogs and the loaders, the drivers of all the land rovers (this lot kept landrover in work for a few years on their own ), so the drinks and the snacks all went down well, and as the night was approaching the sun cracked through a wee hole in the clouds to say well done all.

I took the time at this point to think of my wee girl back home who said I could not miss the chance of this trip because she is ill so go Daddy and have a great time......... with those thoughts in my mind i lifted my glass and drank a wee dram to Josie and thanked god she is still here,

So to sum it all up,

a big thanks to all that put on a fantastic day at glenogle estate, a big thank you to my boss who made it all possible, but the biggest thanks goes to my wee girl Josie who said i could go and have a great time.

I hope you all enjoyed the read sadly i have not a single photo to show for this great day as my HTC (hard to c it phone) had this come up when i tried to use the camera. and i had no idea how to sort it out.
Unable to save to SD card due to insufficient file permissions !


I have the memories the sore lungs the sore feet and a couple of tired legs to show for it, and to me.

thats all that matters.

awe the best bob.



It was so nice to be back home............ Scotland...............priceless.............Josie...............worth more than the world to me.


ps: If any the lads on here where there yeaterday...........thank you.
 
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Hi Bob, I was just round the corner from you last week so as to speak,its good to see grouse in decent numbers
again in the Angus glens.

As for the chap that walks the road, he never seems to miss a day rain or shine, more power to him.
 
Aye Glenogil, I think Philip Herd said they shot about 2,000 deer off there when he was headkeeper, no more ticks to pass Louping Ill to the grouse...
 
Take it you mean 'GLENOGIL'... did you meet Hamish driving the Argo??

yes Hamish is a top man, and now im on the pc its better to see what im typing 'glenogil' is correct sir.

Hi Bob, I was just round the corner from you last week so as to speak,its good to see grouse in decent numbers
again in the Angus glens.

As for the chap that walks the road, he never seems to miss a day rain or shine, more power to him.


they are in great numbers and doing rather well, what i failed to ask was this, there are a lot of small traps in top of poles that are laid across small gullies, i presume these are for stoats and weasels etc or am i way out,

as for that chap walking long may he continue.

bob

Aye Glenogil, I think Philip Herd said they shot about 2,000 deer off there when he was headkeeper, no more ticks to pass Louping Ill to the grouse...

i was told a similar number when i asked the same question, and will they ever return ??

bob.
 
yes Hamish is a top man, and now im on the pc its better to see what im typing 'glenogil' is correct sir.




they are in great numbers and doing rather well, what i failed to ask was this, there are a lot of small traps in top of poles that are laid across small gullies, i presume these are for stoats and weasels etc or am i way out,

as for that chap walking long may he continue.

bob



i was told a similar number when i asked the same question, and will they ever return ??

bob.
The traps are indeed intended for stoats. NO DEER on 19000 acres ---- yet another example of total eradication rather than management --- SAD state of affairs.
 
The traps are indeed intended for stoats. NO DEER on 19000 acres ---- yet another example of total eradication rather than management --- SAD state of affairs.


there was reasons for the removal but i am not the one to post the reasons,as i may make an error in saying something i have no real deatils off.

bob.
 
Glad you had a good trip Bob :thumb:

Neil. :)

Hi Neil

it was great bud and when i got back the wee ones doing a bit better, i have no idea how she can take 21 pills a day and the most horrible liquid medication i have ever had to taste to say its not that bad...............it flippin disgusting.

hope your well buddy

bob.
 
We had a wee walk-up there in the first week....good day out. I've known Hamish ever since he was on his own there, mostly stalking, 100-150 stags a year. This is his 57th grouse season......... He was telling me about the first eagle he got when he was a nipper on Deeside.....he was so proud he strapped it to the front of his motorbike and rode about with it!!! Changed days now!!. He's a great man with ponies as well.
​I gather the new owner is keen to stalk as well so maybe they'll leave some now!
 
We had a wee walk-up there in the first week....good day out. I've known Hamish ever since he was on his own there, mostly stalking, 100-150 stags a year. This is his 57th grouse season......... He was telling me about the first eagle he got when he was a nipper on Deeside.....he was so proud he strapped it to the front of his motorbike and rode about with it!!! Changed days now!!. He's a great man with ponies as well.
​I gather the new owner is keen to stalk as well so maybe they'll leave some now!

hes a cracking bloke and i wish i had posted more about the trip before we went, i could have asked him a few more questions etc, there is some great birds up there but i like you hope the new owners have a good think on the deer issues and if they go back to having some then what a place to go stalking it would be,

kind regards

bob.
 
Being German I guess there's a good chance the new owner will want some deer about the place, the previous owner wanted just grouse so the lads were just doing their job (very well of course.)Personally I'd hope most lairds would agree though that (in moderation) they can coexist as they do on many places.
 
Yes the traps you saw were for stoats and weasels, as for the deer issue yes its possible to have a few deer and grouse, but unfortunately its very difficult to have grouse if you have significant numbers of deer,and I say that as a pro stalker, the main problem being tick while deer can stand a high tick burden not so grouse, deer sheep and hares can all be a potential threat to grouse, sheep can be dipped and some grouse moors run sheep on the hill purely as tick mops, you can't do the same with deer or hares so their numbers are kept to a minimum.

As far as revenue is concerned grouse are a far better earner than deer, so you can understand where the owners are coming from.

As a stalker I don't like to see the wholesale removal of deer to make way for grouse, but realistically its very difficult to have both in numbers that are financially viable.

Moors in the east such as the Angus moors are much better suited to grouse than those in the west of the country, largely due to climate, those in the west suit deer very well but seldom produce significant grouse numbers.

The removal of deer from a few areas in the east, will have no great effect in the overall number of deer in Scotland.
 
Do u know which beat u were on? Glem Ogil is a pretty good setup with loads of good roads and most butts have there own car park with a big sod bank round them.
It's generally not too step a moor compared to some (would not like to load on the west side of drumocter, some off the steepest butt lines i've seen, bugger that with 2 priceless guns+shells) The way u describe the drives and distance sounds a bit like u could off been on Glen Moy beat (but i could easy be wrong as there is a lot of ground up there) There was 1 drive on Moy that showed stunning birds, butts were on the flat with a burn at 90 degrees on left side and beaters bring a big bowl up to guns

The scale off the operation up there on a shoot day is massive could be approaching 80-100 folk out on a big day between flankers, pickers up, loaders and beaters

U mention the shooting lodge is that the one just above the head keepers house? Looks stunning from the outside (sort of timber victorian? looking thing with antlers round the outside veranda) and if he has finished it the way he finished everything elde i bet it is stunning inside too

Bogtrotter has covered things pretty well, the traps u see are rail traps (still ur usual fenn like u'd put in tunnel) usually set using a rail as a bridge across burns and are very effective aggainst mustleids. They are covered with weld mesh so only target animals can get in, (u should not have seen any traps sitting on top off poles or fence posts)

While i do not entirely believe in there deer managment they have atleast fenced off there entire area and it prety much keeps deer out with very few breaking in, unlike some of the forestry/conservation bodies who don't fence and just keep shooting as the neighbouring deer come in for shelter.
Amazing how they have done it 2 seperate elecric fence only mibee 3ft high 2ft apart and the deer don't like to jump into the gap due to the elecrostatic charge. Sounds crazy but it does seem to work pretty well

From wot i gather things are carrying on much as they were under the last owner, there is a land/shooting agency heavily involved in running advising working along side the owner/keepers.
I read an interview with the last owner someone kept for me in a posh shooting mag, the previous owner stated that the agency would not take his moor on unless they followed there advice 100% and got rid off the deer and fenced it.
 
Countrryboy , yes the fences seem to work pretty well, snow being the only thing that hampers them, my grandson is in the Angus glens and last winter they were having to clear drifts off the fences by hand, they measured one particularly large drift and if I remember correctly it was around twenty seven feet deep, thats a lot of snow to shovel.
 
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