Glowing camouflage clothes

[mel]

How effective is some of the commercial camouflage clothing when seen through the animal's eyes?



This is a picture taken by an IR wildlife camera and that glowing jacket is made by Winchester and has a Realtree print. The jacket on the left is a good old British issue DPM one, I know these are IR treated as standard. I never use washing powder with my hunting kit so the 'bluey white' enhancing additives can't be to blame for the glow.

I have had deer walk up pretty close to me whilst wearing it so I presume it works in the field but I certainly wouldn't want to appear in a 'Police, Camera, Action' helicopter shot wearing it. You'd be prosecuted for trying to blind the NV cameraman

Looks like the old DPM windsmock is coming out of retirement.

 

[widows son]

When the start shooting para military you'll be well up the list .

Leave the DPM kit to the guys who are paid to ware it, a pet hate of many who served is to see civvies waring the kit no matter where it came from .

I took a mate of mine to a shoot beating, by dinner time I had been told not to bring him back, if all he had to ware was military kit ,the people shooting really didn't want to see the kit they ware all week on a Saturday .

No one actually knows what animals see they've never found any that can talk yet.

 

[flytie]

Mel, that's a spooky photo, you have made me wonder about mine now

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[BwchDanas]

Leave the DPM kit to the guys who are paid to ware it, a pet hate of many who served is to see civvies waring the kit no matter where it came from .

I took a mate of mine to a shoot beating, by dinner time I had been told not to bring him back, if all he had to ware was military kit ,the people shooting really didn't want to see the kit they ware all week on a Saturday .

I can't say I've ever had a problem like that, also not sure I'd want to be part of a crowd that felt that way either.

Oh, I'm one of the ones paid to wear it too, though not many in the groups I shoot with know that.

 

[mel]

When the start shooting para military you'll be well up the list .

Leave the DPM kit to the guys who are paid to ware it, a pet hate of many who served is to see civvies waring the kit no matter where it came from .

Widows Son - Not sure how to interpret the tone of your post. What shooting list will I be up and for what reason? Both of us are ex-forces (of many years) and HM the Q kindly issued the jackets to us along with some trousers, boots and quite a bit of other kit we were allowed to keep. Why shouldn't we wear it when out hunting?

 

[rookie]

know one i no has said that they disagree with it, but if you have on with a union jack on make sure you take it off as i was told you only get to ware one if your in the army/bin to war. ( im sure BwchDanas wil corect me if i was told incorectly)

 

[arthursc]

Wear it with pride!! When the deer know that he military are coming at least they will have a fair chance!

Never ever heard of any shoot asking a member or former member of the armed forces not to come again simply because they wore DP clothing.

Mel and I have stalked right upto deer with his glow-jacket. So can vouch for it not spooking the deer but as for his looks......LOL

 

[mel]

It looks like deer can't see red too well. There is a pretty good article (What Deer Really See) here http://www.realtree.com/community/feature.php?ID=299

I was also once told that deer don't generally worry about looking up too far because they have no real aerial predators (in the UK at least) and that's why high seats are useful tools. This article suggests the reason high seats are useful hunting positions is due to the design of the deer's eye - apparently they have built in sun shades called Corpra Nigrans at the top of the pupil.

Corpra Nigrans - Possibly a useful trademark for some hunting sunglasses

 

[cycling_caveman]

This is a picture taken by an IR wildlife camera and that glowing jacket is made by Winchester and has a Realtree print. The jacket on the left is a good old British issue DPM one, I know these are IR treated as standard. I never use washing powder with my hunting kit so the 'bluey white' enhancing additives can't be to blame for the glow.

I don't think it's the IR (red) end of the spectrum that deer are particularly sensitive to, but the UV (blue) end. This is why normal washing powders are supposed to be bad as they have the UV active dies that make your whites seem "whiter than white".

 

[enfieldspares]

I also don't like seeing people at a shoot (or on a civilian range) wearing DPM. This mix of civilian and military clothing used to be called "mufti" and was frowned upon.

On the other hand not everbody can afford goretex or tweed and the genuine ex-military gear is usually good quality, hard wearing and weather proof. My son wears some all plain green Dutch Army trousers for beating. And the old tank suits of 1950s vintage were good for pigeon decoying.

But my real clothing peeve is peopl e playing cricket wearing "whites" and not "creams"! You used to feel as if you going out to bat against a team of bl**dy bakers on a lunchtime break!

 

[geordieh]

When the start shooting para military you'll be well up the list .

Leave the DPM kit to the guys who are paid to ware it, a pet hate of many who served is to see civvies waring the kit no matter where it came from .

I took a mate of mine to a shoot beating, by dinner time I had been told not to bring him back, if all he had to ware was military kit ,the people shooting really didn't want to see the kit they ware all week on a Saturday .

No one actually knows what animals see they've never found any that can talk yet.

Hi
Looks like your mate had a lucky escape then, i am assuming that this was a military shoot of some sort i used to keeper for the school of infantry shoot in warminster and it was pathetic seeing warrant officers and snco's having to call officers "sir" on shoot days.Plus most of them were the worst bunch of shots i have seen over the last 40 years. When i was in the army as a junior nco it was impossible to be a gun in a shoot unless you were a rupert,it was all very snobby. I hope you told them to stuff their shoot where the sun don't shine, if you didn,t then you are not much of a mate.Are you still serving and if you are what rank are you(just curious)

 

[widows son]

Further to my last I was a serving Snco my mate had just finished off his 22 as a Snco at the time the shoot was a private shoot which i had worked on for many years, when at home on that particular season, there were many serving and retired officers ( Rupert's ) the shoot owner approached me about my mates clothing asking me if he was coming back to put something other than DPM kit on as it had been a topic of there conversation at dinner time .

I put a few of them in the picture there after due to there ignorance of who and what he was , this sorted out the problem , Ive never worn the kit I don't like it, Ive found it brings undue attention wearing it even when you are serving the colors .

I don't even wear real tree i prefer normal olive green you just fit into the countryside far better .

The only thing I want from the military is my pension every month,Ive plenty on kit in the loft from Wind proofs, Para smocks, Sniper smocks, the Denison smocks would be about the only thing I would wear but its a bit like me its had a hard life .

 

[Brithunter]

Hmmm the Bisley crowd don't like DPM either. I recall going to one fo the shows, might have been one of the last Pistol Anno Domini meetings that had the big guns show. I was on my way back from a stalking or maybe Pigeon shooting outing outing and had a DPM pattern jacket in the car. A commercial one not a MIlsurp (real) one that i wore stalking. Later it began to rain so I went to the car and got the jacket out and put it on. It was the only one I had with me and some wazzer came up and told me to remove it as it might upset someone. Those daysIi was a member of the NRA so I told him where to get off and it got quite heated for a while until it stated to draw too much attention for said wazzer and he left with his tail betwen his legs.

If I recall correctly I made an official complaint. No I am not ex forces and I brought the jacket from a shop in Guildford for the express purpose of shooting. Pigeon shooting, deer stalking rough shooting. Realtree didn't exist then and I still have that jacket and a real DPM jacket hanging in the cuboard. The real one was given to me by a friend who was PBI. The label says:-

Smock Combat 8415-99-130-5885

Went to the cupboard and found two of differnt types. I forgot I had one of them. This is the older of the two:-

Smock Combat 8416-99-132-1822

And I believe there is a button in liner somewhere about in a drawer. I can still wear them with only a shirt on, I am bigger now than I used to be so I can wear them for summer Roe Stalking when my Deerhunter is too warm. Oh the commerciall jobbis is by Wynnister. I did have some Real DPM trousers but they rotted away eventually. Sheesh i must have had these jackets now for 20+ years at least might be even close to 30 years now . I doubt they are water proof now of course .

 

[finnbear270]

I have no preference as to what other people wear, that is for them & them only to decide, unless you are having to conform to a stated dress code, such as an invite to the dukes shoot,........ milsurp clothing & equipment is just that,surplus to requirements, so should it be put to use or just slat on a big bonfire?. many younger shooters could not afford the quality stuff that does not have to be worn underneath other gear to remain silent, unwanted dpm issue fills a gap. The practical shotgun crowd are rather strong on this aversion to old military issue.........but there again, they themselves could be finger pointed for dressing in the manner of a civil authority assault team.....never seen so much black stuff!. I also subscribe to the idea that household washing powders are a bad idea, (for stalking tack).

 

[thenose]

I can't say I've ever had a problem like that, also not sure I'd want to be part of a crowd that felt that way either.

Oh, I'm one of the ones paid to wear it too, though not many in the groups I shoot with know that.

Agreed, when I wore the suit it never bothered me at all, I can't see why people get the hands in the arse over it.

And regarding the UV glow, buy some soapnuts (google them) and do your washing with them instead and have a nice healthier wardrobe of clothing.

 

[Mannlicher_Stu]

I have an old Disruptive pattern material S.A.S artic smock with an inbuilt wire hoop in the hood that I find very comfortable, that I use on cold dry morning, in all honesty for stalking its absolutely brilliant , without doubt cotton is the quietest of all materials and is far more silent in its use than most of these real tree waterproof jobbies , its all a load of b******s anyhow in respect to colours as deer have mono vision as their eyes contain rods and see things in either dark grey or light grey so in effect the ideal camo colour wise would be a mixture of different colours of grey .

Still I have good succes wearing my artic smock and one things for sure the deer dont complain, well they havent done so yet, they do have a bit of a whitter when that pill slams into them though.
I have heard a few say what the f...k was that I didnt see that coming

 

[Dan Newcombe]

Never quite understood this thing about animals not being able to see colour.

Surely they see what they percieve as a colour. Therefore if you wear something that is a colour that isnt normally there (eg orange day glo) it will look 'different' to what the animals see normally?

Look at a black and white telly. You can tell there is a difference between colours but not what the actual colour is. If you lived like that all the time then surely you would adapt to know what is 'right' and 'wrong'

Dan

 

[finnbear270]

Mostly keeping movements to a minimum & moves you do make as fluid & smooth as you can is the secret, if you can keep a stoat happy with your presence, you must be doing something right.

 

[Mannlicher_Stu]

Never quite understood this thing about animals not being able to see colour.

Surely they see what they percieve as a colour. Therefore if you wear something that is a colour that isnt normally there (eg orange day glo) it will look 'different' to what the animals see normally?

Look at a black and white telly. You can tell there is a difference between colours but not what the actual colour is. If you lived like that all the time then surely you would adapt to know what is 'right' and 'wrong'




Dan

They see shapes and movement that they associate with danger, and re act, anything that breaks up a profile as in disruptive pattern material fools them, and they struggle to make it out, especially if your still, any movement at all like flash of hand or movement of head alerts them to danger, especially hands.

Maybe this moon camo stuff thats different colours of greys might be effective in the field, and obviously quite visable to humans, I did know a stalker who used to use an old grey German trench overcoat, he was very productive in his cull program as well,so it makes you wonder about all this real tree shite, that stalkers spend astronomical sponnies on.

It cold wet weather I have a brown stalking suite with a drop liner made by Sherwood and had it now for a few years but i have to say it isnt as silent as the old artic DPM smock

 

[Sam]

SWANNDRI. The quietest, most hardwearing thing I have come across. Also relatively cheap at £120 or whatever they are now. My Mums is nearing its 20th birthday I think, and she used it everyday for quite a long time. I have two, one a more "traditional" shooting jacket pattern (cartridge pockets, handwarming pockets etc.) and the other (my favourite) is a Origanal Smock. I wouldnt wear anything else in the winter, or whenever its cold!

When/If its warmer I wear a Deerhunter Fleece in green or a SwedTeam "Creep" fleece in APG. Which one depends on where in stalking.

Trousers are either Deerhunter Somethings with goretex lining, or Swedteam Brown non-waterproof jobs from bushwear. In the summer I go for Soldier 95, also used them for farmwork, hedging, canoeing (also cut them off below the big pockets for paddling ). Im sorry if you feel offended, but they are by far the best sub £15 trousers you can buy! I also have a few mates in service, and to be honest, they dont care! It may be different if you were in full DPM with the hat and everything.


Incidentally I won a "proper" Smock from an Army clay shooting club the other week. No service men won them, nobody cared.


Sam