Haygarth or Voere?

stevec

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I have submitted an application for a 7x57 for general deer use, some woodland roe deer and some highland reds.

I had been thinking of ordering a Haygarth rifle, as I had read some excellent reviews and I had a long chat with Ross Haygath last summer, who seemed very friendly. The price also seems reasonable (£1,500 on their website), in comparison to most of the better factory made rifles and whilst the order time is one year, I though that it would be worth waiting for something that will be good quality and last.

However, I have also spoken to the importers of Voere rifles and a 2155 is only £850.

Both rifles are based on reconditioned K98 actions with new barrels (Hayagarth uses Walther), stocks (Haygarth's are made to measure) and trigger units. One differance is that Haygarth rifles have bedded actions.

Whilst I am very keen on saving money (and avoiding the epic journey to Wick), I have heard mixed reports of the newer Austrian made Voere rifles.

Does anyone have any experience of either makers?
 

K333ROE

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The father Colin was a very good gunsmith, some of the woodwork he did was pure art ! I've had stock work done by him, however that was several years ago. There is an airport at Wick of course.
Let me know if I can help as I live in Caithness.
 

stevec

Member
Thank you, that is very kind. The journey isn't too much of a factor, I was planning a holiday in Sutherland later this year anyway.
 

stevec

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What I was trying to get at with the thread is if it is worth the extra £650 (plus travel) for a bedded action, walther barrel and custom stock. I have never handled either rifle, but any thoughts or advice would be greatfully recived.
 

enfieldspares

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Only you can decide. But "custom" or "bespoke" stocks are all well and good...but will it fit the person you want to gift it to such as children or sell it too? And as you are using a 'scope and presumably not close range running shots with iron sight does it matter if it isn't bespoken to you?

One other word of advice. If a custom stock isn't "straight back" in terms of the cast (side to side) on a hard recoiling rifle it may well give you a belt on the cheek like ten rounds with Mike Tyson.

Do I think it worth the extra £650? No I don't. Goodness you could buy a decent secondhand rifle, as a "back up", for that and STILL have change towards a quality 'scope!
 
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Heym SR20

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Having a rifle built for you must be one of lifes real pleasures. At the very least the stock should be long enough for you and the comb the correct height for your face. You should also be able to dictate the choice of wood and how the rifle is built. Yes it's a bit more money, but spread that out over a lifetime (or several if you pass it down) it is not that much more.
 

stevec

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Thanks for your thoughts. Will having the action bedded make a great deal of differance to accuracy and does a Walther barrel offer much more than a Voere barrel?
 

flytie

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Steve, I have just had a look at Haygarth's web-site and they do look lovely traditional rifles. I would doubt that they would shoot better than my Sako 75, or some of the other rifles on offer at the moment. But for £1,500 it seems good money. If you read their blurb you will see that they are glass bedded actions with a supported barrel. This seems to be like the old pressure bedding found on "best" rifles. They do not show any shot targets so it is difficult to know how they shoot.

If you consider any of the extras on offer you soon get into semi-custom rifle money, where it might be better to buy a Sako 75 or Tikka 595/695 and to have it customised by Anglo, Brock & Norris or Steve Kershaw etc. etc. At least you will know then it will shoot ragged holes and you will get load development information for it.

Voere were exceptional rifles but have gone through a torrid time financially, they seem to be settled now and i hope quality has improved.

Simon
 

Claret_Dabbler

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I think Simon makes some good points. I looked at the website also. The £1500 is a pretty basic rifle, if you add a few extra's like rosewood tips and upgrade the wood a little, you will be over £2K in short order. Having said that, you will have a very nice traditional stalking rifle that I would be very happy to own. A pillar bedded action with a forend pressure point should shoot very well with a good barrel.

The other option is to go for a Sako or whatever action, and have one of the good 'smiths out there do his thing with with a stainless quality barrel, McMillan stock etc.

The cost will work out similar and residual / resale value will be of a similar level.

You money and your choice. I would like one of each....:D
 

stevec

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I had noticed that the price can accelerate quickly, so was thinking of just the basic model, although still am very tempted by the Voere, particularly the low price
 

flytie

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I had noticed that the price can accelerate quickly, so was thinking of just the basic model, although still am very tempted by the Voere, particularly the low price
Steve, and why do you think Voere are a low price? Do you think the quality has improved lately, or have the accountants moved in? I do not think the two necessarialy go hand in hand ;)

Simon
 

stevec

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I have no idea, but as a Yorkshireman, I was tempted by a low price. I suppose it may well be a case of "you get what you pay for"
 

harrygrey382

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Oh wow, if I had the money I'd be going for a Haygarth for sure. I too have heard mixed reviews when I was trying to dig up info on Voere. Quite a few make it out to Australia. I'm sure they are very nice, and I was looking at cheap 2nd hand ones so in a different light. But the Haygarth will be a beautiful rifle. And if it isn't one hell of a shooter I'd say you can claim something's wrong.

But speaking of customs, why custom a Sako and not a 98 action? They're clearly the choice of people like Haygarth... I may be abused for this but I'd pick a nice CRF action anyday over a Sako
 

flytie

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But speaking of customs, why custom a Sako and not a 98 action? They're clearly the choice of people like Haygarth... I may be abused for this but I'd pick a nice CRF action anyday over a Sako
Harry, I bought a Parker-Hale M.81 Classic with a Mauser 98 action, I just may have it re-barreled at some time. I will never wear the action out. The 98 is not everybodys cup of tea as they do have a bit of bolt slop in the action when opened fully, I do know people who much prefer the older Mannlicher actions as they are silky smooth.

Mausers were designed to work when the going got rough and dirty, with a controlled feed and very very strong. That of course is why most "best" guns are made using the Mauser 98 action

The only reason I mentioned Sako and Tikka's for semi-customising was because it seems a popular thing to do. As my Sako will produce .5" groups with homeloads at 100yds it does seem a bit of a waste to me, but Mr Bowers et-al make some nice rifles on Sako and Tikka actions. Very, very accurate too!

Simon
 

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