Hunting in africa

[Trufflehunting]

I have never been tempted to try african game, in those fenced in ranches
The only interest i would have is dangerous game, and the prices are beyond what i am prepared to pay.
Cape buffalo looks interesting !!
Am i missing something here i just get the impresion at the gamefair for instance that they are selling something and linking it back to an era well and trully passed.
Are the animals on ranches easy to hunt, i would get no thrill whatsoever shooting a girraffe even if it was running.
If i used the same amount of money and spent it on wild deer in the uk it would give me more meaningfull memories
TH

 

[pheasant sniper 1]

I have never been tempted to try african game, in those fenced in ranches
The only interest i would have is dangerous game, and the prices are beyond what i am prepared to pay.
Cape buffalo looks interesting !!
Am i missing something here i just get the impresion at the gamefair for instance that they are selling something and linking it back to an era well and trully passed.
Are the animals on ranches easy to hunt, i would get no thrill whatsoever shooting a girraffe even if it was running.
If i used the same amount of money and spent it on wild deer in the uk it would give me more meaningfull memories
TH

Not sure that makes sence to me..

People pay to stalk deer on 50 acres to 1000's of acres in the UK

Whats wrong with hunting Africa on 10, 000 acres + which is in a budget?

Cant say id ever go to Finland again which was supposedly 17, 000 hectares but atleast in this lifetime its another place ive been..

 

[Drag1]

We hunt on Scottish islands there's no difference . some of the ranches are bigger than the islands Anyhow most of the fences are there to keep the vermin out not in

don't knock it till you've tried it

 

[pip]

I've only ever hunted African game that was truly wild but I have friends who have hunted behind the wire and they had fantastic trips. Some of the areas are huge and you won't see the fence in 7 days of hunting. I have shot boar in fenced areas and they behaved no differently to wild ones. I was dubious at first but after sampling it, I booked up to go again! As someone has already said, don't knock till you've tried it.

 

[Trufflehunting]

On the islands in scotland ive been to, the deer will swim to where they want to go wether its to the mainland or another island or to get around a fenced in bit so they are not limited by being on an island
Regarding a budget, for the price of your air fair how much hunting i could buy in scotland would keep me happy
Perhaps i dont dream big enough, i have had to endure watching a guys video of him shooting giraffe, kudu springbok and rhino in the past.
Giraffe and rhino looked easy to hunt, unlike red deer
I didnt realise how bad eyesight rhino have, and as for the giraffe i thought him very very sad.

No i have not tried it i made that plain, seems like i have to try things before i can comment

Do you guys want to come to an all male party, dont knock it until you have tried it
Please dont reply as we will agree to disagree

 

[PeteL1]

Trufflehunting,
If you are interested in African hunting, take a look at this website:
Shakari Connection | African Hunting Information
Enough info to keep you reading for a week!.
Hunting Dangerous Game in a wilderness area is a great experience but expensive. Nothing like it, though.
Buff seem to be the cheapest, Trophy Fees and duration of Hunt make the rest of the Big Five rather more pricey.
I agree with you on hunting behind high fences, definitely not for me.
Peter
Peter

 

[Frank Homes]

TH

Are you missing something? Yes most definitely, Africa is a magical place and it may steal your heart. I can't wait to get back in 2015. There are some good deals out there if you look.

​Frank

 

[Safari Hunter]

This is a reply I put on another thread about fenced areas:

(In SA you have to realise that hunting is a business far more than it ever will be in the UK. The fences are there to conform to legislation. Every game farm that has any non indigenous animals has to have a certificate of adequate enclosure (CAE) no matter what the size. Hunting in these farms can be done all year round if required.
Any land that is low fenced for livestock can only be hunted in June and July. If anybody wants to hunt with us in low (unfenced) areas in the Eastern Cape we can do this for any indigenous species ie. Kudu, Bushbuck, Grysbok, Blue Duiker, Klipspringer, Vaal Rhebok, Oribi, Warthog, Springbok, Blesbok etc. If you want a Nyala for example low fenced it has to be in KZN. There are no legal low fenced Nyala in the Eastern Cape as they are not indigenous to that area so the farm must be CAE. That goes for alot of other species to.
Kudu are everywhere and the fences do not contain them. I have personally seen a Kudu clear a high fence and others run through them.
The size of the land in some respects is irrelevant. How many stalkers on here shoot in deer parks in the UK? They are miniscule compared to an average farm in SA.
We have concessions from 300 hectares to 20000 hectares. I would challenge any of you to get a trophy Bushbuck or Kudu in the smaller areas in less than 2 days. It is hard hunting and densely populated with acacia bushes. Don't get me wrong, I also prefer to hunt large areas depending on the species but the smaller areas are also challenging. 300 hectares is 1.15 square miles and 20000 is 77 square miles. There is obviously going to be a lot of driving around to get to the animals!!)

You have mentioned Africa which is vast. If you want unfenced try Zim, Tanzania, Namibia etc. The latter is affordable but the others you will need deep pockets if you want dangerous game and even plains game in Tanzania. All dangerous game in SA is fenced.
The cheapest of the big 5 is Lioness and Buffalo cow. After just personally taking a Lioness, 2 hours tracking on foot and shooting when it stood it's ground to face me, there is nothing like it. Beats shooting a Stag on a wet Scottish hill any day.
Just my opinion but give it a try.
Cheers
Adrian

 

[Bushwack]

I've only ever hunted African game that was truly wild but I have friends who have hunted behind the wire and they had fantastic trips. Some of the areas are huge and you won't see the fence in 7 days of hunting. I have shot boar in fenced areas and they behaved no differently to wild ones. I was dubious at first but after sampling it, I booked up to go again! As someone has already said, don't knock till you've tried it.

really? Do you think my Buffalo, Leopard, Croc and Hippo are not 'truly wild'...just because it is on 2500-10 000acres of farmland...Think again...


Trufflehuning,


NOT all outfitter's in SA has '100acres' to hunt off...Depending what province your hunt will be conducted will also determine your degree of difficulty...in the Karoo or Freestate provinces, farms are large because of the carrying capacity of the field...whereas a 1500acres dense jesse in Limpopo or North West provinces will keep you quite busy on a hunt...

 

[Trufflehunting]

Africa may well steal my heart it looks a very beautiful country but your poltics are bad, why have so many africans come back to europe.
There is obviously going to be a lot of driving around to get to the animals On my Tv i see hunters driving round as they are not capable of walking far and shooting, there is little hunting in this.
There are no legal low fenced Nyala in the Eastern Cape as they are not indigenous to that area so the farm must be CAE. That goes for a lot of other species to. IF a Nyala was my thing i would go to where they were indigenous i have no intrest to shoot a nyala
Kudu are everywhere and the fences do not contain them. I have personally seen a Kudu clear a high fence and others run through them. As above
The size of the land in some respects is irrelevant. How many stalkers on here shoot in deer parks in the UK? Very few, we tend not to hunt farmed animals.
Beats shooting a Stag on a wet Scottish hill any day. Not from what i have seen give me wild UK deer every time
Lets just agree to disagree
Regards
TH

 

[Safari Hunter]

On my Tv i see hunters driving round as they are not capable of walking far and shooting, there is little hunting in this. Think you misunderstood what I said here. 77 square miles is a lot of walking.
Not from what i have seen give me wild UK deer every time. Done both there is no comparison.

Bushwack, totally true dangerous game by it's nature is dangerous and very wild. A Lion eyeing you up with no fence between you and it is interesting!!

Adrian

 

[african jack]

having lived and hunted in both UK and various country's in Africa I could comment on this but will not waste my time as you admit you have never been to Africa I don't think you are qualified to comment

 

[tusker]

I have never been tempted to try african game, in those fenced in ranches
The only interest i would have is dangerous game, and the prices are beyond what i am prepared to pay.
Cape buffalo looks interesting !!
Am i missing something here i just get the impresion at the gamefair for instance that they are selling something and linking it back to an era well and trully passed.
Are the animals on ranches easy to hunt, i would get no thrill whatsoever shooting a girraffe even if it was running.
If i used the same amount of money and spent it on wild deer in the uk it would give me more meaningfull memories
TH

All I can say is that in 2010 I hunted in Africa, Eastern Cape, It was a truely great experience and challenged all my stalking, hunting and shooting skills. So much so that next June I am going back (taken 4 years to save) It is very different from UK stalking. I very much enjoy stalking on the Scottish hills,Wiltshire downs etc. they offer different qualities and enjoyment.
In my opinion to travel the world experiencing the way folks do things is truely educational. By the way if you do eventualy go to Africa I hope you dont end up on my trip cos you sound like right miserable git.
Tusker

 

[Trufflehunting]

Tusker as i have previously said lets agree to disagree
You put forward your reasons, thats great if you shoot fenced game, but its not for me.
I agree when you say to travel the world experiencing the way folks do things is truely educational, but not fenced game, the world is a big place and hunting takes place all over its surface, so plenty to go at.
By your response i assume thats what you have been doing in africa, thats great enjoy, but its not for me
No need for personel insults, i would think of myself as a misrable git if i was shooting hippo, rhino, elephants, giraffes, in fenced areas.
Please dont respond lets just agree to disagree.

 

[tusker]

Tusker as i have previously said lets agree to disagree
You put forward your reasons, thats great if you shoot fenced game, but its not for me.
I agree when you say to travel the world experiencing the way folks do things is truely educational, but not fenced game, the world is a big place and hunting takes place all over its surface, so plenty to go at.
By your response i assume thats what you have been doing in africa, thats great enjoy, but its not for me
No need for personel insults, i would think of myself as a misrable git if i was shooting hippo, rhino, elephants, giraffes, in fenced areas.
Please dont respond lets just agree to disagree.

OK mate, for the record I have no desire to shoot hippo,rhino, elephants or giraffes. I wouldnt shoot them if they were for free.
Tusker.

 

[howy308]

Every one has opinions and we are lucky enough to be in a country at this moment where we are able to voice some of them, but maybe programs showing drugged animals to be shot sticks in peoples minds. There is always the problem of who to choose for the international hunts with a thread already on the go with being misled into what they was to get. I have also been told of bad practice by some hunters from those who have visited. Maybe the thrill of someone hunting for you and you just taking the shot does not do it for someone as is also done over here but the difference is thousands of miles and thousands of pounds. I am far from cynical but my preference is towards Canada and Alaska hunting of which I will be hoping to do in the not so distant future, but no one should give personal insults to other peoples opinions.

 

[MJ75]

Trufflehunter, you need to get out of Yorkshire and go see Africa. Before I hunted there I had some concerns that shared some similarities to yours. Now I have the experience and knowledge on how it works I can say hand on heart that it is nothing but naïve to try and compare the two.

In an ideal world I'd only ever hunt indigenous species in their native lands. However that would exclude me from hunting sika, fallow, munties and CWD here in the UK!

The last three stags (sika and reds) I have taken in Scotland which were undoubtedly wild, were far easier than some of the African animals I have taken.

To be frank it's a little bit silly trying to compare deer stalking in Scotland to hunting in 'Africa'. There are too many species, too many environments to try hunting there to make a sensible comparison. I'm pretty sure the last concession I hunted on will have been several times bigger than any permission 90% + of Scottish deer stalkers will ever hunt on being inhabited by truly wild, self sustaining populations of animals.

Put and take operations do exist, personally I'm always wary of outfits that don't specify the sizes of the hunting areas in SA, but it doesn't mean you have to use them. I'm pretty certain there is lots of opportunities in the entire continent to challenge you. Some you may never even succeed in. And lets be honest, fenced or not, how likely are you to be wounded or killed by your quarry in Scotland? Hunters are injured and killed by theirs in Africa every year.

So yeah, everyone is entitled to an opinion, we all know everyone has one and forums like this are used to explore the 'validity' of those opinions, but if you're knocking something you've never tried, and to be honest, don't appear to understand, which isn't a personal attack, in fact it's understandable seeing as you have no experience yourself then you have to wonder how valuable your opinion on the difficulty of an African hunt (Whatever that might be) is???

There's a lot more to hunting in Africa than just taking animals though. Just seeing the wildlife and experiencing differing cultures adds to the whole experience. It's definitely worth doing in addition to deer stalking in the UK if you can afford it.

 

[MJ75]

Every one has opinions and we are lucky enough to be in a country at this moment where we are able to voice some of them, but maybe programs showing drugged animals to be shot sticks in peoples minds. There is always the problem of who to choose for the international hunts with a thread already on the go with being misled into what they was to get. I have also been told of bad practice by some hunters from those who have visited. Maybe the thrill of someone hunting for you and you just taking the shot does not do it for someone as is also done over here but the difference is thousands of miles and thousands of pounds. I am far from cynical but my preference is towards Canada and Alaska hunting of which I will be hoping to do in the not so distant future, but no one should give personal insults to other peoples opinions.

I'm sure you remember the thread on here recently were a bunch of pikeys shot fallow deer from a pickup truck. How do we think that looked to visitors from abroad. Is it possible that that is how they view hunting here in the UK?

Bad apples are found in every country.......

 

[tusker]

Trufflehunter, you need to get of Yorkshire and go see Africa. Before I hunted there I had some concerns that shared some similarities to yours. Now I have the experience and knowledge on how it works I can say hand on hart that it is nothing but naïve to try and compare the two.

In an ideal world I'd only ever hunt indigenous species in their bative lands. However that would exclude me from hunting sika, fallow, munties and CWD here in the UK!
The last three stags (sika and reds) I have taken in Scotland which were undoubtedly wild, were far easier than some of the African animals I have taken.

To be frank it's a little bit silly trying to compare deer stalking in Scotland to hunting in 'Africa'. There are too many species, too many environments to try hunting there to make a sensible comparison. I'm pretty sure the last concession I hunted on will have been several times bigger than any permission 90% + of Scottish deer stalkers will ever hunt on being inhabited by truly wild, self sustaining populations of animals.

Put and take operations do exist, personally I'm always wary of outfits that don't specify the sizes of the hunting areas in SA, but it doesn't mean you have to use them. I'm pretty certain there is lots of opportunities in the entire continent to challenge you. Some you may never even succeed in. And lets be honest, fenced or not, how likely are you to be wounded or killed by your quarry in Scotland? Hunters are injured and killed by theirs in Africa every year.

So yeah, everyone is entitled to an opinion, we all know everyone has one and forums like this are used to explore the 'validity' of those opinions, but if you're knocking something you've never tried, and to be honest, don't appear to understand, which isn't a personal attack, in fact it's understandable seeing as you have no experience yourself then you have to wonder how valuable your opinion on the difficulty of an African hunt (Whatever that might be) is???

There's a lot more to hunting in Africa than just taking animals though. Just seeing the wildlife and experiencing differing cultures adds to the whole experience. It's definitely worth doing in addition to deer stalking in the UK if you can afford it.

Very well put, everything I should have said. i can remember trying to find a whole heard of Wildebeste on some "fenced" land and it took all day and alot of skill. Just wouldnt believe how they can just vanish. Tusker

 

[nuttyspaniel]

I have never been tempted to try african game, in those fenced in ranches
The only interest i would have is dangerous game, and the prices are beyond what i am prepared to pay.
Cape buffalo looks interesting !!
Am i missing something here i just get the impresion at the gamefair for instance that they are selling something and linking it back to an era well and trully passed.
Are the animals on ranches easy to hunt, i would get no thrill whatsoever shooting a girraffe even if it was running.
If i used the same amount of money and spent it on wild deer in the uk it would give me more meaningfull memories
TH

Sorry Ive read this thread through a few times and dont quite understand where you coming from or where your going with this...

My take on things is.

We as Stalkers take in leases, now these leases are fenced forestry blocks which have a population of wild deer in residence. Now we have to control the number of these wild fenced deer as part of our contractual lease.. These leases may be a few hundred acres to a thousand or 2.

Now in Africa (which Ive no 1st hand experiance but Im hoping too in the next year or 2) shooting is done on a reserve. Now these reserves can amount to several thousand acres ( I may be wrong and please educate if I am).

In both cases it is possible for animals to cross fences as it is in an arable farm situation for deer.

Please correct me if Im wrong but I personally dont see Africa any more of a fenced hunt as UK stalking. On another note what about estates in the UK offering Boar shooting?? Ive seen these fenced areas myself and that is certainley not my cuppa.


Nutty