Hunting in germany

[happyhunt]

Has anyone else had a German hunting licence refused
My planned it to Germany in November has now been cancelled because I have been refused the German hunting licence
My Danish pal was doing all the paperwork as per usual only too be told today that they will not issue licenses to British or French hunters which seems very strange
Anyone else with similar problems or have trips planned
We were hunting in the Berlin Brandenburg area
Any advice welcome

 

[Leec6.5]

Has anyone else had a German hunting licence refused
My planned it to Germany in November has now been cancelled because I have been refused the German hunting licence
My Danish pal was doing all the paperwork as per usual only too be told today that they will not issue licenses to British or French hunters which seems very strange
Anyone else with similar problems or have trips planned
We were hunting in the Berlin Brandenburg area
Any advice welcome

Was it an insurance problem?

I know a friend of mine had
Problems because of his BASC insurance

 

[happyhunt]

Was it an insurance problem?

I know a friend of mine had
Problems because of his BASC insurance

They wouldn't say which is unusual
I have pressed my Danish pal to get an answer
I have also sent him my old German hunting licence and all relevant insurance etc from 2019 to prove all was correct then

 

[Steff]

They wouldn't say which is unusual
I have pressed my Danish pal to get an answer
I have also sent him my old German hunting licence and all relevant insurance etc from 2019 to prove all was correct then

Can you send my some details via PM? Maybe I can figure out what the problem is.

 

[Steff]

Berlin Brandenburg, you say?
It may have to do with the African Swine Flu grazing there and French and British restrictions regarding returns from such areas. Just guessing now.

 

[Bavarianbrit]

A local sniffy beamter flexing his biro?

 

[Pete6.5]

A local sniffy beamter flexing his biro?

Maybe his wife left him for a half English half french man.

 

[Bavarianbrit]

Maybe his wife left him for a half English half french man.

 

[happyhunt]

Update on this situation
The reason why my German hunting licence was refused because I haven't done the 2 week long hunters exam
Is this something new since brexit has it's never been a problem before
Generaly they accept DSC 1 & 2 as trained hunter status food hygenine etc
But now they don't recognise it
Anyone else going to Germany this season and experiencedthe same

 

[Dalua]

Update on this situation
The reason why my German hunting licence was refused because I haven't done the 2 week long hunters exam
Is this something new since brexit has it's never been a problem before
Generaly they accept DSC 1 & 2 as trained hunter status food hygenine etc
But now they don't recognise it
Anyone else going to Germany this season and experiencedthe same

Germany is a federation of different states. My experience getting the 'foreigner's Jagdschein' has only ever been in Saxony - and there they still seem to be happy with DSC1, FAC and insurance.

It seems a remarkable tightening of the rules if they're insisting on the full German Jägerprüfung for visiting foreigners in Brandenburg - makes one wonder whether they've misunderstood, really: otherwise, what's the point of the visitor's licence with its more-lenient requirements?

 

[Bavarianbrit]

I have never heard of a 2 week long hunters exam, it is normally conducted over one weekend but this is for the aspirants who have done the full Jagdschein course and can present a polizeiliche Führungszeugnis (police clearance certificate of no record).
Can you feel your plonker being pulled?

 

[Dalua]

I have never heard of a 2 week long hunters exam, it is normally conducted over one weekend but this is for the aspirants who have done the full Jagdschein course and can present a polizeiliche Führungszeugnis (police clearance certificate of no record).
Can you feel your plonker being pulled?

I wonder whether they're referring to the 'compact courses' of two weeks which one can take pre-exam? Though again, the amount of certificated formal training required before taking the exam also varies from state to state...

 

[happyhunt]

I have never heard of a 2 week long hunters exam, it is normally conducted over one weekend but this is for the aspirants who have done the full Jagdschein course and can present a polizeiliche Führungszeugnis (police clearance certificate of no record).
Can you feel your plonker being pulled?

Absolutely
It'll be some desk waller that can't be arsed doing the paper work
My Danish pal who was organising it got his hunting licence no problem

 

[Indlovu]

Absolutely
It'll be some desk waller that can't be arsed doing the paper work
My Danish pal who was organising it got his hunting licence no problem

Hi @happyhunt ,

Which town or county did you apply to? I’m intrigued by your case, as your application was literally a renewal of your expired licence for a further period of up to 14 days.

§15 of Germany’s federal hunting law distinguishes between the qualifying requirements for local residents (1-3 year licence) and foreign visitors (1-14 day licence, called Tagesjagdschein or Ausländerjagdschein) and clearly states that exceptions can be made for foreign, non-resident hunters.

At a state level, §24 of Brandenburg’s hunting law assigns oversight of all hunting licensing to the local cities’ or counties’ hunting authorities (untere Jagdbehörde). Section (4) reiterates that exceptions can be made for foreign, non-resident hunters, provided that they can demonstrate adequate hunting knowledge by submitting a certified copy of their respective hunting licence issues in their home country.

Note: typical, further requirements on the city or county’s form would be your host’s original invitation, adequate insurance cover, two passport photos and some fees and some may require a criminal record.

I’m not aware of any changes at all to requirements for non-resident foreigner over the last decade. So, where could the snag lie (provided that you’re still as clean as a new penny )? Should you perhaps have contacted the original authority that awarded your first licence, since they are the custodians of all matters hunting pertaining to you? Perhaps my friend, owner of a hunting school in the state of Brandenburg, can advise.

Look forward to hearing from you.

Waidmannsheil from Frankfurt

 

[Heym SR20]

Update on this situation
The reason why my German hunting licence was refused because I haven't done the 2 week long hunters exam
Is this something new since brexit has it's never been a problem before
Generaly they accept DSC 1 & 2 as trained hunter status food hygenine etc
But now they don't recognise it
Anyone else going to Germany this season and experiencedthe same

Big challenge that any of us have is that under Brexit we gave up equivalence.

Pre Brexit all member states recognised equivalence so that a qualification in one member state was deemed to be equivalent in another. So your chartered engineer, or accountant qualifications to your chainsaw and meat hygiene certs would be deemed to be sufficient in any other European country to carry out all sorts of functions.

This also carried across to all standards etc etc. ie food standards of production in one state would be deemed to be acceptable standard for those goods to be sold in another state.

In the Brexit negotiations we were offered that all our standards and qualifications would remain equivalent to EU, so that skills, qualifications and standards would be equally recognised. There was also a clause to the effect that if either side wanted to change then there would be a sit down with coffee and biscuits and a) either both sides would agree to the change, or b) they would agree to keep the status quo or c) agree to go their separate ways on this particular subject.

Instead, our government insisted that agreeing to any form of equivalence would be tantamount to loss of sovereignty so we would not recognise any equivalence in any of our qualifications, standards etc.

And in the withdrawal agreement it has been left up to each qualification body, standards etc to negotiate on an EU country by country basis to agree to recognise each others qualifications.

So what I suggest has happened in the above case is that some official is no longer recognising that a DSC2 certificate as equivalent to German hunting exams.
Don’t worry you are not alone. Thousands of professional qualifications in the UK are no longer recognised as equivalent in Europe, nor do we recognise them either.

And its also the reason for all the paperwork no needed to send or receive anything from Europe.

Bear in mind that when we finally left we transferred all EU regulations into UK law so that currently all our standards are identical to EU standards, but in many sectors we now need two sets of paperwork- one for UK destinations and one for EU.

 

[happyhunt]

Hi @happyhunt ,

Which town or county did you apply to? I’m intrigued by your case, as your application was literally a renewal of your expired licence for a further period of up to 14 days.

§15 of Germany’s federal hunting law distinguishes between the qualifying requirements for local residents (1-3 year licence) and foreign visitors (1-14 day licence, called Tagesjagdschein or Ausländerjagdschein) and clearly states that exceptions can be made for foreign, non-resident hunters.

At a state level, §24 of Brandenburg’s hunting law assigns oversight of all hunting licensing to the local cities’ or counties’ hunting authorities (untere Jagdbehörde). Section (4) reiterates that exceptions can be made for foreign, non-resident hunters, provided that they can demonstrate adequate hunting knowledge by submitting a certified copy of their respective hunting licence issues in their home country.

Note: typical, further requirements on the city or county’s form would be your host’s original invitation, adequate insurance cover, two passport photos and some fees and some may require a criminal record.

I’m not aware of any changes at all to requirements for non-resident foreigner over the last decade. So, where could the snag lie (provided that you’re still as clean as a new penny )? Should you perhaps have contacted the original authority that awarded your first licence, since they are the custodians of all matters hunting pertaining to you? Perhaps my friend, owner of a hunting school in the state of Brandenburg, can advise.

Look forward to hearing from you.

Waidmannsheil from Frankfurt

We were going to be hunting the Brandenburg area which I hunted in 2019 and had all the documents and hunting licence from 2019
All relevant documents were sent with 2 passport photos and fees within the 6 week timeframe needed to process the documents
I believe my Danish pal who was organising the trip was using an outfitter by the name of jagderlebnis.de
They asked for copies of all the original 2019 documents which were duly sent to prove that I had previous experience and there wasn't a problem with the last time I applied
My personal circumstances have not changed since the last application no criminal record etc
Although it's too late now to go any help would be appreciated
I have attached a letter from the outfitter
Cheers

 

[Dalua]

Big challenge that any of us have is that under Brexit we gave up equivalence.

Pre Brexit all member states recognised equivalence so that a qualification in one member state was deemed to be equivalent in another. So your chartered engineer, or accountant qualifications to your chainsaw and meat hygiene certs would be deemed to be sufficient in any other European country to carry out all sorts of functions.

This also carried across to all standards etc etc. ie food standards of production in one state would be deemed to be acceptable standard for those goods to be sold in another state.

In the Brexit negotiations we were offered that all our standards and qualifications would remain equivalent to EU, so that skills, qualifications and standards would be equally recognised. There was also a clause to the effect that if either side wanted to change then there would be a sit down with coffee and biscuits and a) either both sides would agree to the change, or b) they would agree to keep the status quo or c) agree to go their separate ways on this particular subject.

Instead, our government insisted that agreeing to any form of equivalence would be tantamount to loss of sovereignty so we would not recognise any equivalence in any of our qualifications, standards etc.

And in the withdrawal agreement it has been left up to each qualification body, standards etc to negotiate on an EU country by country basis to agree to recognise each others qualifications.

So what I suggest has happened in the above case is that some official is no longer recognising that a DSC2 certificate as equivalent to German hunting exams.
Don’t worry you are not alone. Thousands of professional qualifications in the UK are no longer recognised as equivalent in Europe, nor do we recognise them either.

And its also the reason for all the paperwork no needed to send or receive anything from Europe.

Bear in mind that when we finally left we transferred all EU regulations into UK law so that currently all our standards are identical to EU standards, but in many sectors we now need two sets of paperwork- one for UK destinations and one for EU.

I'm pretty certain that DSC1/2 has never been seen as 'equivalent' to any German state's hunting exams, before Brexit or now. The reason that they used to be, and in some states at least still are, accepted for issue of a Visitors Licence is that they are an officialish qualification showing adequate evidence of competence. They've never as far as I'm aware been adequate for getting the full Jagdschein.

 

[jimmer.13]

Big challenge that any of us have is that under Brexit we gave up equivalence.

Pre Brexit all member states recognised equivalence so that a qualification in one member state was deemed to be equivalent in another. So your chartered engineer, or accountant qualifications to your chainsaw and meat hygiene certs would be deemed to be sufficient in any other European country to carry out all sorts of functions.

This also carried across to all standards etc etc. ie food standards of production in one state would be deemed to be acceptable standard for those goods to be sold in another state.

In the Brexit negotiations we were offered that all our standards and qualifications would remain equivalent to EU, so that skills, qualifications and standards would be equally recognised. There was also a clause to the effect that if either side wanted to change then there would be a sit down with coffee and biscuits and a) either both sides would agree to the change, or b) they would agree to keep the status quo or c) agree to go their separate ways on this particular subject.

Instead, our government insisted that agreeing to any form of equivalence would be tantamount to loss of sovereignty so we would not recognise any equivalence in any of our qualifications, standards etc.

And in the withdrawal agreement it has been left up to each qualification body, standards etc to negotiate on an EU country by country basis to agree to recognise each others qualifications.

So what I suggest has happened in the above case is that some official is no longer recognising that a DSC2 certificate as equivalent to German hunting exams.
Don’t worry you are not alone. Thousands of professional qualifications in the UK are no longer recognised as equivalent in Europe, nor do we recognise them either.

And its also the reason for all the paperwork no needed to send or receive anything from Europe.

Bear in mind that when we finally left we transferred all EU regulations into UK law so that currently all our standards are identical to EU standards, but in many sectors we now need two sets of paperwork- one for UK destinations and one for EU.

I had my jagdschein long before any of my DSC qualifications.
Not recognised or accepted by any authority in the UK.
Remoaning is now a religion to some

 

[happyhunt]

I'm pretty certain that DSC1/2 has never been seen as 'equivalent' to any German state's hunting exams, before Brexit or now. The reason that they used to be, and in some states at least still are, accepted for issue of a Visitors Licence is that they are an officialish qualification showing adequate evidence of competence. They've never as far as I'm aware been adequate for getting the full Jagdschein.

It's never been a problem before getting the visitors hunting licence using the same documents so hence the question what's changed and as anyone else encounted a problem

 

[Indlovu]

We were going to be hunting the Brandenburg area which I hunted in 2019 and had all the documents and hunting licence from 2019
All relevant documents were sent with 2 passport photos and fees within the 6 week timeframe needed to process the documents
I believe my Danish pal who was organising the trip was using an outfitter by the name of jagderlebnis.deView attachment 280978
They asked for copies of all the original 2019 documents which were duly sent to prove that I had previous experience and there wasn't a problem with the last time I applied
My personal circumstances have not changed since the last application no criminal record etc
Although it's too late now to go any help would be appreciated
I have attached a letter from the outfitter
Cheers

Hi @happyhunt,

Thanks for the reply and the screenshot. The clue’s in the third sentence and a misinterpretation of the words “Prüfung” (which can mean exam, or in this case, inquiry) and “zwei Wochen” (two weeks).

So, the official is stating that the inquiry (possibly background check, document verification, etc.) will take two weeks and thus not be completed in time for your hunt. There’s no reference at all to the German Jagdschein exams (nor the required, at least two week-long course before said exams.)

I’m very sorry for you, that the process hit a snag along the line. I believe that the outfitter should have been on top of this, checking for issues all along and ensuring that the process moves ahead steadily.

A Northern Irish mate of mine is flying over with 12 friends on Wednesday for a weekend’s driven hunts in Bavaria. He’s a former policeman, familiar with bureaucracy’s sometimes grinding cogs, and confirmed tonight that it was quite some effort in some cases to get all 13 across the line. He also confirmed that it’s still the same set of rules and regulations - nothing has changed. However, you must stay close to the process, checking in with the issuing authority regularly, and that you should plan well ahead (and use DHL instead of regular mail.)

Better luck next time, @happyhunt !