HWV vs GWP

NigelM

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Having spent the past 9 years with a fantastic HWV I lost him in October and got a GWP.

My reasoning for wanting to change breeds was mainly based on the fact that I wanted a slightly more confident dog - the HWV was always a little nervous around other people and other dogs. I was also after a breed that was a little more hardy to cold and wet weather as the HWV really didn't like it. The rest of the traits of the HWV I loved, the nature, the pointing of feather and fur, the tracking ability, he was a true all-rounder.

So I took the plunge and the pup is now nearly 10 months old. He's from primarily Danish lines, having Bryantscroft, Mustwork and Trudvang in his pedigree.

He's definitely been more of a handful than the Vizsla so far. He doesn't have an off switch spending his entire time like a coiled spring. In the house, around the other dogs and people he doesn't have an aggressive bone in his body. The wife's 5 year old cockerpoo is the boss and the german loves nothing more than a cuddle with anyone prepared to give him one, stranger or not. He's as velcro as the Vizsla as far as I'm concerned, always needing to be by my side and pining as soon as he's left. From this point of view he is very similar to the HWV, just a larger turbo charged version.

Get him outside and he's on a different level. The HWV was very easy to train as he was relatively calm, intelligent and keen to please me. He did have a good prey drive but it was very controllable. He got bored of dummies but did enough to get the message and know what was expected when the real thing was put in front of him. The German's prey drive is off the scale. I'm spending an inordinate amount of training time just stopping him from chasing. He wants to kill everything. Squirrels are a favourite sport. He's now half under control but it's taken some time. As soon as we enter woodland he drops 6" onto his haunches and stalks rather than walks. Any movement and he's on point until he knows what caused the movement and then continues stalking. If I can reliably harness this trait he will be one hell of a weapon out stalking but it's hard work, 4 sessions a day trying to harness it. If I didn't work from home it would be very difficult.

He is as intelligent as the HWV, picking up things very quickly, but easily bored and with a much shorter attention span. It's almost a case of teenage cockyness - OK, you've shown me once, Ive got it, now let's go do something more exciting. I'm constantly trying to keep training different and exciting just to keep him focussed. Given the opportunity he would rather charge around like a prat and play the jester, or go and hunt squirrels.

Have I got what I expected? So far the German is very similar to the HWV in most ways and I have answered my two faults of the HWV, he's certainly more laid back, less highly strung and doesn't give a monkeys about rain and cold. The degree of his prey drive has surprised me which will be great if harnessed but could easily become an issue if not and I think he's going to take much longer to mature than the HWV.

The car analogy is probably a good one. If an HWV is an BMW then the GWP is a Ferrari. Not as comfortable but ultimately more capable if you can drive it properly. Not for anyone who has just got their licence.

Hope this helps anyone considering their options as far as these two breeds are concerned.


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Yes ,, it will make good reference for folk researching the 2 ,, in particular if the would be dog owner is a novice in HPR , training/ handling, I am on my 2nd whv, love the look and drive of a GWP ,but wouldn't say I'm upto training one to a good standard ,, lovely and very capable dogs though
 
I think a lot depends on the breeding of each breed , I currently have 2 Hwv and 1 Gwp all bitches , the 1st Hwv now 8 was quite soft and easy to train and not very predatory until she had seen a good few deer shot , the wife’s GWP is very well bred with good prey drive but is massively nervous of people and can be upset with a stern word , the latest HWV we own is now 3 and very large and very different to my other bitch with a good brain and want to hunt everything but is in control and can be stopped .
 
I've had 2 HWV but not a GWP. 2 quotes I've heard:
GWPs are Germans, so naturally very ignorant.

And

HWVs are easier to train, but a well trained GWP is better than a well trained HWV
 
Someone once said to me "you get 2 good years out of a gwp........1 year before you get them and the year after they die"

They are top performers and quick to spot opportunities to exploit. Basically you have to train to get the control switch to operate
 
Hmmm, would a Vizla work alongside my teckel?...
Just discovering how…… my smooth V has been outstanding on deer on her own but along comes the Teckel pup and the V’s nose is well and truly out-of-joint. Teckel now stalks at heel for me and V has dropped back 2-3m and has to be “encouraged” to close up. Teckel thinks all deer finds are an opportunity to chase the V and the V gets very frustrated when I send out just the Teckel. My theory of having both an air-scenter AND a ground scent finder with me out stalking is not working as well as I hoped. At the moment, it’s one or the other but it does works very well when I can engineer the opportunity.

Teckel:



Vizsla:



The difference is the Teckel follows the deer’s trail straight to the strike site then does a 270 to follow the blood trail. The V went to where he thought the strike site was (and found it early on) but then circles and loops until he cuts the blood trail scent to follow it up the hill (long run on copper with obliterated heart). If I can get them to work independently together, it’ll be the dream team!

@tfox also has a V and a Teckel too - his post here
 
I find mine can be a bit of a dick when out for a stalk if he hasn't been out for a while, once he's had a god rag of the first deer he calms right down.

I have found at home though that a ball or a rope type toy he can bite and pull tug of wall style which he can also do training with, fetchs, leaves etc helps keep his focus. But he only gets these when we train or I want to burn off some energy.

I was told there all dicks untill their 2 then they just switch on, turned out true for mine.
 
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