JFK Conspiracy

Inside job?


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enfieldspares

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Most of you guys...and me...shoot. Most of us have shot deer. There's some strange behaviour with bullets and with overlong slow moving very blunt round nose 6.5mm even stranger behaviour. This is a bullet in the form that was used on JFK to have a notorious reputation for tumbling. I have little doubt that this is what happened with the bullets fired when JFK was murdered. The nearest as deer stalkers we might see doing similar in supposed soft point rounds are the old Sako Hammerhead bullets.

I became even more certain when many years ago a fellow gun club member in a discussion about the event remarked "Even you could have hot him Wobbly....the distance isn't even that of a tennis court." Wobbly being Wobbly Wootton an aged member of the club who's rifle muzzle wobbled here and there when he shot. Which cues my Woobly Wootton stories. Wobbly was most offended pointing out that in WWII when serving in the Royal Navy he'd been the one on the ship that was given the Ross rifle the ship had to shoot the "horns" on sea mines to cause them to detonate.

The other Wobbly story was about D-Day. Someone was talking about Webley .455 revolvers and Wobbly remarked he'd once shot someone with one. This prompted the question as to how effective its famed "manstopping" capabilities had been. Wobbly replied that a German, weapon in hand, had appeared around the back of the beached landing craft that he'd piloted onto the beach in D-Day itself (as he was waiting for the tide to sail it off) and he'd shot him. But he couldn't remark as to how much of a "manstopper" it was as he'd been so pumped with adrenalin that he put the full six round cylinder into him.
 
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caberslash

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For the deniers out there, below is the film shot by a bystander (Abraham Zapruder) on the day, showing the bullet impacts (viewer beware):


It is clear that the first shot to hit JFK comes from a downward angle, hitting him in the back and causing him to grasp his throat area, however, the actual 'kill shot' comes from the front, impacting his right temple and shattering the skull, and he slumps backwards as a result of the hit.

The book depository from which Oswald is claimed to have fired three rounds is behind JFK, which is consistent the shot from the back, yet the impact from the front corresponds with the location of the 'Grassy Knoll' (see map):

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@mealiejimmy , if you were around at the time, did you believe the Gulf of Tonkin incident to be an act of aggression by the North Vietnamese, as alleged by the USA at the time?

It is now accepted as fact that the incident was a total fabrication, intended to influence the US Congress and spark off direct use of the American Armed Forces in Vietnam.

If the case is closed on JFK, why are some files still sealed away until today?
 

caberslash

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Most of you guys...and me...shoot. Most of us have shot deer. There's some strange behaviour with bullets and with overlong slow moving very blunt round nose 6.5mm even stranger behaviour. This is a bullet in the form that was used on JFK to have a notorious reputation for tumbling. I have little doubt that this is what happened with the bullets fired when JFK was murdered.

There is no way this bullet passed through two people (JFK, from the back, took a turn and went through the Texas Governor's thigh, later to be conveniently found on a hospital stretcher by an FBI agent, and there is no proper chain of custody for this bullet, as covered by Oliver Stone's new film, JFK Revisited: Through The Looking Glass)

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caberslash

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3 shots in under 12 secs (starting when the first shot goes) at under 100m isnt very difficult, especially in the same plane of motion.

But when you take into account;

  1. Where JFK was hit (once in the throat region and the fatal shot, to the head)
  2. The rifle allegedly used by Oswald, a surplus 6.5 Carcano 91/38 with a side mounted scope, costing under $20 at the time
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  3. The inconsistency of impacts, watch the Zapruder film I posted earlier. How is that headshot to the temple achieved from the back?
  4. Oswald was a Marine, but hardly considered to be an expert marksman by his peers.
 
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mealiejimmy

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I'm sure those in high places want the same things to be said about the September 11th 2001 World Trade Centre attacks!
OK, so you believe JFKs shooting was a conspiracy
You believe the 9/11 attacks were a conspiracy
What do you believe about the following:
1. The Moon landings
2. The death of Princess Diana
3. The 2020 US Presidential Election
4. The Covid virus was "invented" by the Chinese to screw western economies
5. The Covid virus is spread by 5G radio waves
If you think any of those are conspiracies, the tin foil helmet will be on its way

Cheers

Bruce
 

Bowland blades

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Jfk took a bullet to the head when one of his security guys fell with a then newly developed m16 and had a negligent discharge ( actually it was one of a few issues with the then revolutionary design, u til modified )m thats why his scull verybquickly became unavailable. Doubtless there was an attack from the depositary but the guy couldn't have taken that shot with the pike of junk he had in his hands letvalone his so called marksmanship stc.
They ain't never going to say actually one of ours screwed up , the attack covered up a lie for the agency imho
 

Foxyboy43

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Jfk took a bullet to the head when one of his security guys fell with a then newly developed m16 and had a negligent discharge ( actually it was one of a few issues with the then revolutionary design, u til modified )m thats why his scull verybquickly became unavailable. Doubtless there was an attack from the depositary but the guy couldn't have taken that shot with the pike of junk he had in his hands letvalone his so called marksmanship stc.
They ain't never going to say actually one of ours screwed up , the attack covered up a lie for the agency imho
This seems to contradict any debate about the Carcano accuracy methinks.
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CBS once ran a special program where they brought on eleven police and military sharpshooters in order to see if they could duplicate Oswald’s feat with a very similar Mannlicher-Carcano rifle. They built a tower to shoot from at the correct height, and dragged a rigged up vehicle along tracks at a very similar speed. Looking back, we can see it now as an early attempt at ‘reality television.’

The rules of the game were simple.

To duplicate Oswald’s feat, you get three shots and must hit twice.

From the time of the first shot to the third shot you have 5.5 seconds.

That means you shoot (which starts the clock), work the bolt, shoot, work the bolt, shoot (which stops the clock).

If I recall correctly; totally cold 4 out of 11 of the sharpshooters duplicated the feat, first try. After being given a little less than an hour to familiarize themselves with the rifle, the aimpoint, and the workings of the bolt; all 11 successfully duplicated the feat and at least one scored three hits in less time to beat it.

It is not that the Mannlicher-Carcano is a super-accurate, super-powerful rifle. The Mannlicher-Carcano is an average bolt-action rifle of its time.

It’s that the shot was a close range, comparatively easy one, and the Mannlicher-Carcano was more than adequate to the simple task. ‘Average’ is capable of performing ‘easy
 

Alantoo

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I have seen a few of the reconstruction videos, including the one with the dozen or so rifle men where one (state trooper?) managed to replicate the three shots on to the moving away target within the timeframe.

The odd ball thing that strikes me about the shooting from that window by Oswald if he was up there...why did he not take the much easier shots as the motorcade came straight toward him up the road rather than when it was going away and at an angle with trees in the way?

Alan
 
The man had no financial sponsors and his own money. He would not be told, directed or heavily pressed/influenced what to do because of his independence due to that and would not go to Vietnam. He is then shot... make of that what you will...
 

Bowland blades

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This seems to contradict any debate about the Carcano accuracy methinks.
🦊🦊
CBS once ran a special program where they brought on eleven police and military sharpshooters in order to see if they could duplicate Oswald’s feat with a very similar Mannlicher-Carcano rifle. They built a tower to shoot from at the correct height, and dragged a rigged up vehicle along tracks at a very similar speed. Looking back, we can see it now as an early attempt at ‘reality television.’

The rules of the game were simple.

To duplicate Oswald’s feat, you get three shots and must hit twice.

From the time of the first shot to the third shot you have 5.5 seconds.

That means you shoot (which starts the clock), work the bolt, shoot, work the bolt, shoot (which stops the clock).

If I recall correctly; totally cold 4 out of 11 of the sharpshooters duplicated the feat, first try. After being given a little less than an hour to familiarize themselves with the rifle, the aimpoint, and the workings of the bolt; all 11 successfully duplicated the feat and at least one scored three hits in less time to beat it.

It is not that the Mannlicher-Carcano is a super-accurate, super-powerful rifle. The Mannlicher-Carcano is an average bolt-action rifle of its time.

It’s that the shot was a close range, comparatively easy one, and the Mannlicher-Carcano was more than adequate to the simple task. ‘Average’ is capable of performing ‘easy
Carlos Hathcock was likely the most successful sniper the USA produced , he could not recreate the shot! Read about the man forget his count at that time you had to walk up to the dead to confirm and he worked alone or as a two man team in hostile environments.
 

enfieldspares

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3 shots in under 12 secs (starting when the first shot goes) at under 100m isnt very difficult, especially in the same plane of motion.
Correct. The timing for the target exposure for "double snaps" with the SMLE was (AT TWO HUNDRED YARDS DISTANCE) two shots fired for each five second exposure of the target. I did briefly have through my hands to be de-activate a 6.5mm Mannlicher-Carcano. The long one used by infantry. Yes it's agricultural and if put side by side with one makes a Moison Nagant look "finely finished"! But it works and the whilst not as fast as an Enfield bolt (but then what other bolt is) it's not as gor blimey awful either in manipulation as is made out by those who've likely never handled one.
 

caberslash

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OK, so you believe JFKs shooting was a conspiracy
You believe the 9/11 attacks were a conspiracy
What do you believe about the following:

1. The Moon landings

Real but ultimately insignificant compared to the USSR's achievements.

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2. The death of Princess Diana

Well, I think Andrew will be avoiding any long drives through a tunnel for the foreseeable!

3. The 2020 US Presidential Election

Trump lost due to Covid, but Biden is clearly a straw man (moreso than any other President) for whoever is pulling the strings behind the scenes. Biden is already showing signs of dementia in public, god knows what he is like when the cameras are off!

4. The Covid virus was "invented" by the Chinese to screw western economies
Possible, looking at Wuhan's biotech labs, bit of a coincidence no?

Chinese companies definitely done well on making those test kits!

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5. The Covid virus is spread by 5G radio waves
If you think any of those are conspiracies, the tin foil helmet will be on its way

Obviously not true, straight from Facebook's finest 😂
 
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