its been asnwered before and its is irrelevant to the issues being discussed what i may or may not have done previously. Frankly is childish to keep asking a pintless question but its a free world.
Latest article on lead micro and nano particles in deer and grouse
- Thread starter Heym SR20
- Start date
No problems with lead AFAIK.
I believe the local game dealer has insisted on lead free, but i dont recall discussing it specifically, just my impression.
I just find it odd Glenn that 12 months ago you said it didn’t matter wether you used copper or lead as it was for family use , yet now you’re really against it and it’s poisonous
what’s changed in 12 months ? Has the lead ammunition become extra toxic in that time ?Ah so he was forced to by a dealer , makes sense
Smellydog
Well-Known Member
So he, the mentor would still be using lead and this chap would be muted...
You would think so yes …….So he, the mentor would still be using lead and this chap would be muted...
I'm just an interested observer here and I find the discussion intriguing. Below I'll add a few independent obs based on what happened down under.
Chris Richardson - Q - Bows and arrows and snares....'tis the only way lads! -UQ
Don't count your chickens...snares are already banned here. The state of South Australia recently banned bows, arrows, cross bows, bolts for all hunting....the rest of Oz will follow...sigh.
Re the lead contamination in people who do eat/do not eat game shot with lead.
I don't doubt that there is a lead contamination problem in some people. There are many studies done which confirm this but they do not identify where the lead came from. Only that it was there. In Oz in 2002 [UK 1999] lead in fuel was banned. Which means most of us have grown up breathing in lead from the atmosphere which came from car exhausts. What car based lead wasn't vented into the atmosphere fell onto the roads, when it rained this lead was washed into the water ways and eventually into those impoundments which supplied both rural and city folk with drinking water. Then there was lead based paint. All the houses...inside and out..., the furniture, the kitchens, kids toys etc were all painted with lead based paint. How much lead did I chew through as a toddler munching on my lead painted wooden cot. Inner city kids had high lead levels but they didn't eat lead shot game. Over time some lead will dissipate from peoples bodies but equally some will remain for all time.
Norfolk Deer - Q I won’t have the copper is inhumane, - UQ.
That's interesting because our government did and cancelled all of its plans for the compulsory banning of lead in centre fire rifles. We already had banned lead shot in shot guns. The Monometal bullets used in non magnum calibres were notorious for wounding sambar deer. The magnums not so much but there was still a significant amount of woundings. Most of our sambar deer hunting community use factory ammunition. I've been using what I consider to be the best factory offerings...Normas... for decades. Physically the size of sambar deer and their propensity for tenaciously clinging to life after being shot is legendary and comparable to the slightly bigger American Wapiti [Elk].
Chris Richardson - Q - Bows and arrows and snares....'tis the only way lads! -UQ
Don't count your chickens...snares are already banned here. The state of South Australia recently banned bows, arrows, cross bows, bolts for all hunting....the rest of Oz will follow...sigh.
Re the lead contamination in people who do eat/do not eat game shot with lead.
I don't doubt that there is a lead contamination problem in some people. There are many studies done which confirm this but they do not identify where the lead came from. Only that it was there. In Oz in 2002 [UK 1999] lead in fuel was banned. Which means most of us have grown up breathing in lead from the atmosphere which came from car exhausts. What car based lead wasn't vented into the atmosphere fell onto the roads, when it rained this lead was washed into the water ways and eventually into those impoundments which supplied both rural and city folk with drinking water. Then there was lead based paint. All the houses...inside and out..., the furniture, the kitchens, kids toys etc were all painted with lead based paint. How much lead did I chew through as a toddler munching on my lead painted wooden cot. Inner city kids had high lead levels but they didn't eat lead shot game. Over time some lead will dissipate from peoples bodies but equally some will remain for all time.
Norfolk Deer - Q I won’t have the copper is inhumane, - UQ.
That's interesting because our government did and cancelled all of its plans for the compulsory banning of lead in centre fire rifles. We already had banned lead shot in shot guns. The Monometal bullets used in non magnum calibres were notorious for wounding sambar deer. The magnums not so much but there was still a significant amount of woundings. Most of our sambar deer hunting community use factory ammunition. I've been using what I consider to be the best factory offerings...Normas... for decades. Physically the size of sambar deer and their propensity for tenaciously clinging to life after being shot is legendary and comparable to the slightly bigger American Wapiti [Elk].
Last edited:
Smellydog
Well-Known Member
Almost a different question, only almost.I just find it odd Glenn that 12 months ago you said it didn’t matter wether you used copper or lead as it was for family use , yet now you’re really against it and it’s poisonous
Woodenbeam
Well-Known Member
More interested in the cancellation of lead ban in centrefire……..
you may be right about my mentor, as i said i havent had a specific conversation about him. As for the rest, you wish.
As I have pointed out previously you are clearly confused. I have not called for a ban on lead. i am merely pointing out that spurious comments about whether it does harm or not.
If we were discussing smoking id make similar points, and there would be those who would say "ahhh but i/my granny/insert any other relationship you care to mention, have smoked for years and were ok"
How did you determine who these individuals are and what their expertise and experience were?
I ask because what you have actually done is to absorb spurious and incorrect claims pushed by anti-shooting activists and their useful idiots among shooters - some of whom are part of busomesses which see this as a commercial opportunity..
Indeed not, but ballistic realities - being a science - cannot be denied any more than gravity can.
Norfolk Deer Search
Well-Known Member
I’ve shot nothing but copper since the late 2000’s, I’ve killed a lot of stuff with no complaints.
Shooting lead at the moment because I’m in rebellion against the establishment, that doesn’t mean I haven’t got any copper in the cupboard
The problem with copper is there are too many experts and very little experience because everybody copies everybody else no one’s brave enough just to grab the ball by the horns and roll with it which is what I did many many moons ago!
Back then there was no load data of such, just a reloading manual and made it work
You really are having a laugh, there is nothing incorrect about pointing out the health issues associated with lead.
If you want to eat lead and accept the risks then it is no one's business but your own, but to deny the risks is frankly stupid.
As much as i disagree with many things you post, you have never previously struck me that way before.
What is you experience and expertise to give advice on ballistic matters?
palmer_mike
Well-Known Member
Spear Chucker
Well-Known Member
I found this a really interesting post. Top job. Thankyou.
No, I'm not having a laugh at all. I don’t think you quite realise what you’re doing.
There is something incorrect about you making incorrect claims about the health issues.
I don't deny any risk. I understand them and you evidently neither understand them or accept what they are.
You see some fool spouting about "no known safe level" and presume that means eating lead-shot game is dangerous. Unless one is determinedly stupid in the preparation and cooking of it, it isn't. The risks from eating lead-shot game are of the same order, and arguably lower than the risk of breathing air. There is no known safe level of air pollution. I presume you don't have any qualms about breathing?
It is your right to turn your face away from the facts.
What way? I note that you haven’t found anything I’ve said on this thread to be demonstrably incorrect.
Scientific degree, qualified and 20 plus years experience using rifles - and my comments on the topic are restricted to the absolute basics (e.g. a D grade GCSE student is capable of understanding) which are universally accepted to be factual. What is your experience and expertise to opine on whether I’m being unreasonable on topics which you apparently know considerably less about?
Norfolk Deer Search
Well-Known Member
As I stated above the problem with copper is everybody follows the leader with little or no experience of their own!
I say no more……
Similar threads
