Load data for nosler 170 solid base 30/06

nigdonn

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Hi Gixer no load data for the 170s but here is what iv got for the 165s it will put you in the ballpark. I think that varget is to fast a burn rate for these to get the best out of them heres what the book says.
imr 4350 55 imn 59 max
h414 54 min 58 max.
RL 19 56.5 min 60.5 max.
N160 56 min 60 max.
aa3100 57 min 61 max.
h4831 58.5 min 62.5 max
most accurate being h4831 at 62.5gr for 2918fps out of a 24" barrel
i hope this helps these were taken from the complete reloading manual.

remember to back off 1.5 gr for the 170s
i shoot a 30/06 myself and love it my pet load is 150gr hornady btsp on 54gr h414 shoots sub 1/2" in my sauer 202.
 
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gixer1

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Thank you sir! Most appreciated!

i will give it a try but would still like to get the nosler data if anyone has it.

Regards,
Gixer
 

nigdonn

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Hi gixer this is nosler data but for the 165s it should get you there with some small ajustments that you will be making anyway to find the sweat spot in your rifle.
what rifle are you using? and what for?.
 

Muir

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Hi gixer this is nosler data but for the 165s it should get you there with some small ajustments that you will be making anyway to find the sweat spot in your rifle.
what rifle are you using? and what for?.

The correct way to do it is to take the data for the next heavier bullet, not guess into adjustments down from data for a lighter bullet. This is a basic rule for reloading. In this case, data for the 175 grain and 180 grain would be the appropriate starting point. ~Muir
 

nigdonn

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Hi Gixer here is the nosler data for the 180 gr solid base bullets
h414 53.5 min 57.5 max
imr4350 52.5 min 56.5 max
RL22 58 MIN 62 MAX
H4831SC 56.0 MIN 60 MAX
AA 3100 57 min 61 max
N165 59 min 63 max

I hope this helps you gixer to find a starting point keep us posted how you get on.

regards nigdonn.
 

gixer1

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Thanks folks, is there any data for varget or should I get a some more powder? The rifle is a Tikka T3..

Regards,
​Gixer
 

Sharpie

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is there any data for varget or should I get a some more powder?

Lee manual gives the following Varget loads for 30-06:

168 grain jacketed bullet start 47.0gn, never exceed 50.5gn, 59040 psi. Min OAL 3.230"

180 grain jacketed bullet start 44.0gn, never exceed 47.0gn, 60000 psi. Min OAL 3.300"

From velocity data Varget seems to be suitable for 168gn bullets, less so for the 180.
 

gixer1

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Lee manual gives the following Varget loads for 30-06:

168 grain jacketed bullet start 47.0gn, never exceed 50.5gn, 59040 psi. Min OAL 3.230"

180 grain jacketed bullet start 44.0gn, never exceed 47.0gn, 60000 psi. Min OAL 3.300"

From velocity data Varget seems to be suitable for 168gn bullets, less so for the 180.

thanks, much appreciated.:tiphat:
 

Sharpie

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The Lee dipper load for the 168gn bullet is 3.4cc which is 46.5gns of Varget. That would seem a conservative place to start.
 

Sinistral

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Folks,

Load data for nosler 170 solid base 30/06


anyone got got load day for these bullets with varget powder?

regards,
​gixer

Why can't you give the correct details of the bullet you're actually using? The Product No. is on the packet if you can be bothered to look. You might then be able to find the answer you're looking all by yourself .... or at least assist others who are kind enough to try to help you.

There is no 170 grain Nosler .308 bullet. Also .... the Nosler 'solid base' bullet (as a brand) was discontinued many years ago, The entire range have 'solid bases'.
 

gixer1

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Why can't you give the correct details of the bullet you're actually using? The Product No. is on the packet if you can be bothered to look. You might then be able to find the answer you're looking all by yourself .... or at least assist others who are kind enough to try to help you.

There is no 170 grain Nosler .308 bullet. Also .... the Nosler 'solid base' bullet (as a brand) was discontinued many years ago, The entire range have 'solid bases'.

you're a real ray of sunshine you eh? Who ever said it was a new box of bullets? Now if you don't have anything nice to say - p*ssoff!

Oh, and be sure to submit your apology for being wrong on here when you get a moment princess...

Thanks to to all the other helpful comments.
 

Sharpie

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It would be helpful to know exactly which bullets you have.

170 grains is a common weight for .303 bullets. If you have a box of these, DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES try to use them in a 30-06. They are several 1/1000" too large for the bore.

Likewise bullets for 7.62x54R are too big.

If you have been given an old box of nominally .30 calibre bullets and don't know exactly what they were designed for, do measure them. They must be .308" diameter, any larger and they will be unsafe in 30-06.

​Do check.
 

gixer1

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It would be helpful to know exactly which bullets you have.

170 grains is a common weight for .303 bullets. If you have a box of these, DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES try to use them in a 30-06. They are several 1/1000" too large for the bore.

Likewise bullets for 7.62x54R are too big.

If you have been given an old box of nominally .30 calibre bullets and don't know exactly what they were designed for, do measure them. They must be .308" diameter, any larger and they will be unsafe in 30-06.

​Do check.

they are .308 as per the box I posted the picture of above....

regards,
​gixer
 

Sharpie

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So do we think 46.5gr of varget and seat them at the same depth as the factory 180gr rounds I have?

regards,
​gixer

That would be my suggestion.

3.4 cc of powder is only 78% of case capacity so it should be a very tolerant load re. seating depth. Make sure there is at least 1x bullet diameter seated in the neck, more is better, as long as bullet base is not below the neck. Forget about jump to lands, doesn't matter much.

Should start you at about 2700 fps. Push it to max. and you would only gain 150 fps so I wouldn't bother trying.

Brass will last better at start load. Using the Lee loader you can't FL re-size so you will eventually find bolt closure gets crunchy, so you will need to put them through a FL die in a proper press, or scrap them.

Start load in 30-06 is comparable with "do not exceed" load in .308, so you won't be under-gunned.
 

Sinistral

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you're a real ray of sunshine you eh? Who ever said it was a new box of bullets? Now if you don't have anything nice to say - p*ssoff!

Oh, and be sure to submit your apology for being wrong on here when you get a moment princess...

Thanks to to all the other helpful comments.


These bullets were discontinued around 1989 as they disappeared from the 1990 Nosler manual, which is as far back as my catalogue collection and memory goes. It’s a fair bet they’ve never ever been tested with Varget - so no Hodgdon data exists. This powder wasn’t introduced until 1996. It may well have been reformulated since then.

So the only option is to look at the 2013 Hodgdon website and pitch your initial load somewhere between the 165gr (47.0) and 175gr bullet weights (45.0) … for info. This matches the advice you’ve been given. It’s very flattering to be called a princess, but even the sunniest of souls expect someone at least to try the obvious themselves before posting timewasting queries.
 

gixer1

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These bullets were discontinued around 1989 as they disappeared from the 1990 Nosler manual, which is as far back as my catalogue collection and memory goes. It’s a fair bet they’ve never ever been tested with Varget - so no Hodgdon data exists. This powder wasn’t introduced until 1996. It may well have been reformulated since then. So the only option is to look at the 2013 Hodgdon website and pitch your initial load somewhere between the 165gr (47.0) and 175gr bullet weights (45.0) … for info. This matches the advice you’ve been given. It’s very flattering to be called a princess, but even the sunniest of souls expect someone at least to try the obvious themselves before posting timewasting queries.

You called it wrong - admit it, there is no obvious as there is no obvious data so why not just do the grown up thing and say "ok, I called it wrong and I'm sorry" but instead you carry on trying to make out that I did wrong in asking for advice.


anyway...to the people who are offering help - one more question - I set the seating depth as per a factory 180gn sp I have and then seated one of the noslers and the neck top was about 5mm from the cannulare, so I adjusted seting depth until the cannulare was just visible above the neck top, this makes the OAL 76.5mm which is just 2 mm over the sammi minimum, should I load up this batch to that oal and see how it performs????

Regards,
​Gixer
 
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