loose bullets quantity on license

[RobNorfolk]

Hi all,

Couple of quick questions if I may,

I am considering reloading my own ammo soon, and am not sure about a couple of things:

Are loose (expanding or otherwise) bullets to be entered on my license, and therefore to account for part of my allowed ammo holding? Or is the quantity only referring to primed, loaded bullets and cases (ready to fire)?
i.e. If my allowance is 500 rounds, and I have 500, can I purchase any bullets, primers, powder?
Will primers, bullets and powder need to be entered on my license?

Thanks,

Rob.

 

[goldeneve frise]

Only bullets will be entered on your license and they count towards your holding

 

[tikkathreebarrels]

On your licence, you should have two separate quantities: one for the amount you can PURCHASE and one for the amount you can POSSESS. If you think about it the latter should be a bigger number than the former otherwise you have to completely run out of loaded rounds before you can go shopping.

Expanding bullets will usually be entered on your licence at time of purchase and depending on your Firearms Authority and the judgement of your RFD you might find that some dealers won't sell you primers which don't fit a calibre which you possess.

As to the pile of semi-assembled rounds you decide to stockpile at home I would refer you to current Home Office Guidance and, if in doubt, you should check with your Firearms Authority how they might feel if you decide to buy, say, 1000 brass cases and put primers in them all.

 

[8x57]

Rob all expanding bullets will count towards your ammo allowance regardless of loaded or not. Non expanding bullets (not loaded rounds) do not count towards your ammo allowance so you may possess as many as you like. Some forces actually give a separate allowance for expanding bullets and one for ammunition.
Expanding bullet purchases are signed on to your certificate just as loaded ammunition is but there is no need to do so for non expanding bullets.

This question has been asked several times in the past and there appears to be some variance with how different police forces and dealers deal with it so, if you do a search of the site you will be able to research previous debates. As always debates sometimes generated more heat than light but I think that BASC actually clarified the situation and have the information on their website also.

 

[Bertie Dastard]

I have never had expanding bullets entered on my license.
In fact I have never had any centrefire bullets or ammunition entered. As I reloaded from day one!

 

[Whitebeard]

I have never had expanding bullets entered on my license.
In fact I have never had any centrefire bullets or ammunition entered. As I reloaded from day one!

I hope you keep a handloading log for when your FEO enquires about ammo usage at renewal time.

Ian.

 

[hoodwink]

I have amount to possess ,amount to buy and amount of missiles (unloaded bullet heads).

 

[RobNorfolk]

Thanks for the answers here, all very helpful.
I'll check that BASC guidance too.

Cheers!

 

[8x57]

I have never had expanding bullets entered on my license.
In fact I have never had any centrefire bullets or ammunition entered. As I reloaded from day one!

I take it that your dealer/supplier of expanding bullets still doesn't sign them on your ticket then. Most tend to now as they are required to do so by their issuing authority, but in the past my certificate would go for years with no ammunition entries apart from .22lr.

 

[waterford103]

Primed cases don't count , non expanding bullets don't count , dealers may wish to see your FAC before selling you primers or propellant , expanding bullets are treated as live rounds and MUST be entered on your FAC by the dealer / seller ,these expanding bullets count towards your permitted total in that calibre.

 

[Bertie Dastard]

I hope you keep a handloading log for when your FEO enquires about ammo usage at renewal time.

Ian.

What proof of use does a log give? Any old porkies can be written.

On my last renewal, The only C/F rounds I had loaded were 5 x 150g SST ..........and 5 x 40g V Max.

He was quite happy with the fact that I "Load as required" for use.

As the interview was in my office / reloading room he could plainly see all my gear and load development data.
As for rimfire ammo ,He looked in the cabinet and said "Are you happy with the numbers on your renewal papers" I replied that there were now about 20 fewer HMR and .22rounds than stated .
That was it, apart from checking s/n of guns.

 

[Whitebeard]

What proof of use does a log give? Any old porkies can be written.

Yes any old porkies can be written down and told as well but why would you want to lie about quantity of ammo used?

Ian.

 

[Bertie Dastard]

Yes any old porkies can be written down and told as well but why would you want to lie about quantity of ammo used?

Ian.

I have no need to lie about usage.
Although I do not get many shots at Deer/Fox.
I still enjoy practicing on inanimate objects to keep my eye in.

My point was that a log can just as easily be true or bulls hit........ie, Proves nothing!

 

[Whitebeard]

If you bull$hit in a log you are only bull$hitting yourself, you are right it proves nothing however an honest log of all handloading sessions and a record of all loads is an invaluable reference when comparing future loads, as well as showing your FEO genuine ammo usage when he asks

Ian.

 

[floyd]

On your licence, you should have two separate quantities: one for the amount you can PURCHASE and one for the amount you can POSSESS. If you think about it the latter should be a bigger number than the former otherwise you have to completely run out of loaded rounds before you can go shopping.

This has been done away with and is now replaced with a single section on page 3 of the new style FAC's entitled " Maximum quantity authorised to be possessed at any one time".

As said above bullets whether loose or loaded will count towards the quantity of ammunition held.

 

[jimmy 84]

On my FAC I have seperate allowances for expanding missiles and expanding rounds which I am allowed to possess and purchase at any time.
For example I can possess 250exp rounds and 200exp missiles.

Jimmy

 

[8x57]

On your licence, you should have two separate quantities: one for the amount you can PURCHASE and one for the amount you can POSSESS. If you think about it the latter should be a bigger number than the former otherwise you have to completely run out of loaded rounds before you can go shopping.

This has been done away with and is now replaced with a single section on page 3 of the new style FAC's entitled " Maximum quantity authorised to be possessed at any one time".

As said above bullets whether loose or loaded will count towards the quantity of ammunition held.

You missed out the word expanding ffloyd in your last sentence. The number of non expanding bullets that you can possess provided that they are not loaded into cartridges is unlimited.

 

[floyd]

8x57, you raise a valid point, that ordinarily and previously I agreed with.

However the wording on the new certs "Ammunition including expanding ammunition and expanding missiles" seems to be all inclusive.

I called SW Firearms licensing who confirmed this today.

May be one for BASC.

 

[Bertie Dastard]

8x57, you raise a valid point, that ordinarily and previously I agreed with.

However the wording on the new certs "Ammunition including expanding ammunition and expanding missiles" seems to be all inclusive.

I called SW Firearms licensing who confirmed this today.

May be one for BASC.

A non expanding bullet / missile is not ammunition until loaded !!

 

[waterford103]

bullets aren't ammunition , ammunition is a complete loaded round fmj and target bulletshave no limits on quantity , only expanding bullets are ( stupidly ) counted the same as complete loaded rounds -- gettit !