Mauser action - Parker Hale Rifle .270

gamegunner

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#1
I have a Parker Hale with a Mauser action i have been told its a Belgian Mauser 98 large ring action, 2 things i need to replace the stock as i don't like the original and the other thing is i have been looking at these actions etc on you tube and they all have rear safety catches mins has a side safety ? is this normal or has someone got it wrong and its not a Mauser 98 large ring action ? thanks in advance for all of your comments, having to look into refurbishing this one short term. :-|, if it is then a Mauser 98 large ring action,

1, does anyone know where i can get a nice trigger for it

2 anyone know what good value and easy to fit stocks are available for it ? mauser 1.jpg mauser 2.jpg mauser 3.jpg mauser 4.jpg :lol: Thanks in advance Jon.
 
#2
Hello fella it is a mauser large ring 98 as I have built a 308 on the same action as you have there boydz make a stock for them off the shelf but your have to inlet for the side safety not hard. You don't need a new trigger that one is fully ajustable I've got mine down to a clean 2.5 pound pull without trouble. Hope this helps a little.
Good luck adrian
 

gamegunner

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#3
Adrian that's fantastic thank you very much indeed for the info, do you know where the best place to purchase a boyds stock for it is ? or do you have to specially order Boyds stocks mate ? thanks Again thats really helped me out :)
 

PKL

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#4
I bet it's a Spanish action, have a look at the rhs of the rear tang below stockline, it will say 'Spain'. Yes it's a commercial large ring m98 action, average quality, doesn't look like one of the good Santa Barbara's, that said, it's still better than any new tikka, sauer, blaser, howa, remmy, etc.

Yes, trigger can be adjusted ok, but not magnificently, I'd buy a timney or recknagel from brownells U.K. Parker used the trigger side safety not the military flag, Google any Mauser military action and you will see the commercial bolt shroud is different as are not formed and in turn don't have a rear hold for the blag safety stem.

Stocks - if you really must, don't bother with a cheap synthetic as they bend like butter. Either get a decent walnut stock or order a boyds,,,they might not ship outside the us anymore though..there are other well priced options, have a look at brownells and see if you can find something there. I assume it's the buttstock and comb you find like. You will need to bed a new stock to it, but it's easy as pie and you can do a great job for under £10 in materials. The barrel might also need to be inletted with a channel cutter or wet/dry and elbow grease.

The be trigger you have goes back and joins the rear action screw hole which is awful and really bad for bedding, any new stock will not be inlet for this but a new trigger solves this headache. Therefore, a new trigger will also not sit well in your existing stock. A new trigger and stock also means you need a rear action screw hole pillar, easy and cheap of course, but important to avoid compression and create consistent barrel harmonics.

my view - keep it as it is and work with the existing stock by altering pad or lop or adding a cheek weld raiser, etc and fine tune the trigger. If barrel is good and rifling crisp with no crazy throat or muzzle erosion, and it shoots average, bed the front receiver ring and first 2" of barrel and float it, that will have it shooting very well usually, which I've done to average shooting old mausers many many times.

figure out how to make it work as is, it's probably not an action worth an investment in stock and trigger exceeding £200.

The belgian action is also commercial but made by FN, but is very different in bolt handle design and was machined to exceptional tolerances and is one of the finest ever made, actions alone being worth £500+. Only beaten by pre war oberndorf sportier actions of course. Either of these would justify building a rifle on them of £5000-£30,000.
 

gamegunner

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#5
Thanbks to all of the posts so far some really good info, PKL i really do dislike the old parker hale stock and i am definately going to change it but some fantastic info thanks soooo much :)
 

tusker

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#6
I to had the same problem. Timiny trigger 1st, then a Boyds stock. Now I have a 270 Parker Hale that has taken game all over the world out to 300 yards.
Tusker
 

gamegunner

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#8
Tusker you have any pic of it you can post ? I'd be really keen to see it, P.S Tusker was one of my favourite beers when I was in Africa 'bada ya kaza' or something like that lol ;)
 

welshwarrior

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#9
It's an easy basic fix new trigger timney or one of the others will improve it.

Stock depends whats wrong in your eyes a boyds is an easy fix and lots of options but will probably need ordering via EB now.

Or a full hog and nicer trigger unit and custom walnut stock, little fettling here and there.

It'll shoot and do all you can ask some will try to tell you as the action was designed in the 1800s it won't kill deer etc but it will be a great stalking rifle for years.
 

ejg

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#10
Many seem to rate the quality of Mauser actions very highly. My take is there are some good ones but also many that edge on being outright dangerous. The Mauser design is very good but the build quality I have seen so far has not been great that is why we won't make any parts for older Mausers. Looking at measurements it seems more like 50 million "one offs" flutin about rather than a production action.
For example one can bed a stock with a T3 action and every other T3 action will fit into that bedding. We do that every day. Try that with a Mauser action.
The older Mausers have had their day and good actions can be used for one off custom rifles for those that like these actions but they are not better than newer actions.
edi
 

karamoja

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#11
Many seem to rate the quality of Mauser actions very highly. My take is there are some good ones but also many that edge on being outright dangerous. The Mauser design is very good but the build quality I have seen so far has not been great that is why we won't make any parts for older Mausers. Looking at measurements it seems more like 50 million "one offs" flutin about rather than a production action.
For example one can bed a stock with a T3 action and every other T3 action will fit into that bedding. We do that every day. Try that with a Mauser action.
The older Mausers have had their day and good actions can be used for one off custom rifles for those that like these actions but they are not better than newer actions.
edi
Unless you are building a DGR, in which case I would not want any thing else than a M98. Also it isn't hard to find a well made example, and with a recknagel safety and trigger, a walther barrel what could be better? I used to have a 30-06 which would print three quick shots touching. What more could you ask for! Granted there may not be the tolerances of my tikka or sako, but has a lot more soul?
Regards Karamoja
 

sharkey

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#12
I currently use a 458 lott, 375 wby, 375 h&h, 30 06, & 270 win built on ex mil & comercial mauser actions. I would have the rifle in the OP in a flash for hunting, instead of a new T3, Sako, Howa, etc. It's an excellent rifle. I've seen enough stove piping, ejector fails, bolt handles comming off, etc, to support my choice.
 

ejg

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#13
Unless you are building a DGR, in which case I would not want any thing else than a M98. Also it isn't hard to find a well made example, and with a recknagel safety and trigger, a walther barrel what could be better? I used to have a 30-06 which would print three quick shots touching. What more could you ask for! Granted there may not be the tolerances of my tikka or sako, but has a lot more soul?
Regards Karamoja
I also have an old Argentino Mauser with a Walther barrel that is incredibly accurate and lovely to use. I even like the original trigger that was slightly reworked. Put huge effort into this rifle making it and will keep it as an all-round hunting rifle. I also have an old Gibbs Mauser in 270 that seems so lousy that I would not want a custom build to be made of it.
edi
 

karamoja

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#14
Hi Edi,
They can be hard to part with, for some strange reason, and it is true there have been some really bad actions. But many are still enamoured with them. I also have an old no3, which has the sloppiest bolt, but is super fast to cycle, will put the first two touching and the third just off at two o'clock - it is also the last rifle I will part with! It has history and soul to me I guess. Ron Wharton did the sight work and it has a very early number one safety, the stock work by an old Churchill apprentice and it was the first rifle I bought at sixteen from Blands as they were closing.
Aesthetics, form and function is a very personal issue, hence Blaser (tongue firmly in cheek)
 

ejg

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#16
Out of interest are you able to expand on this please?
Thanks.
Firstly most Mausers 98 rifles were built under pressure of war or in places with low technology standards. Steels in those days were not of great quality and in war times almost anything was used. The hardening process was not that advanced in general and under production pressure even sloppier especially when steel quality was going downhill. There have been examples of 98 actions that were through hardened and could shatter like glass. This all apart from general dimensional quality issues including unsafe safeties. As a result of this the average Mauser action would not be close in quality standards to a new rifle say of European build.
My take is that one should check an old Mauser action well before starting a custom build, drilling the holes for mounts might give an indication if the surface is hardened or if the action is through hardened.
Many Mauser actions have been butchered to take all sorts of scope mounts, some had parts of the action milled away and do not pass proof if re-proofed.

edi
 

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