Thanks - have you got a link to these?
Maximum calibre.
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I put the link on post 4 for you
Indeed - the 2016 Guide. However, I imagined that Eric the Red had something more-recent in mind?
.416 is a pussycat. Mind you, so is a lion!
Having read the whole thread in a little more detail, your .25-06 will put down a red no problem so don't worry about that. If you run a heavy for calibre premium bullet it'll be more than enough but if you want more gun then that's also a good reason to ask I'd say. The best thing you can do if you want bigger is run it past them, test the water a bit. The worst they can do is say no and that doesn't always mean no if you're a bit assertive with them.
It all depends whether you're a weird calibre sort or just want a common factory gun with a bit more grunt? If you want the latter then not much will walk away from a .30-06 and I don't suppose they'd even question that. It gives you the option of bullets twice the weight of your .25-06 and a good step up in the size of the hole they make too.
It all depends whether you're a weird calibre sort or just want a common factory gun with a bit more grunt? If you want the latter then not much will walk away from a .30-06 and I don't suppose they'd even question that. It gives you the option of bullets twice the weight of your .25-06 and a good step up in the size of the hole they make too.
Interesting question...I tried to get a 45-70 for big reds. In thick woodland upto 100yards this would of been perfect. The problem I had with the FEO was that he said there was no ground cleared for that caliber. So I left it at that. He also told me that I would have no problem gaining a caliber upto 30-06 but after that it gets abit tricky.
There is new legislation - but look at Chapter 13 (13.9 and 13.16-18 in particular) - and pages 123-4 specifically for the table of calibre for species. It needs to be read in conjunction with Ch 10 - 10.34-10.36 defines grant and refers to this table.
NOTE: Those being 'pestered' for additional land requirements etc. should pay particular note to 10.36 and what is actually required, esp. on renewal. A variation should be treated as a grant.
Bavarianbrit
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I have aWin 70 supreme .338 WM new here in Germany and added it to my UK FAC for if I went from UK to Alaska as was my dream but it was conditioned not to be allowed to be fired in the UK even on ranges. Pretty daft imo. So bought new and is in my cabinet and never been fired even to sight it in.
Honestly .25-06 will do the job easily on fallow.
I shot two one morning at the start of the season, both 200y+ and they were both down inside 30y using Sako 117gn soft point ammo. A mate of mine has shot countless reds in Scotland with .25-06 and it will do the job on them as well.
I do think the fact that we shoot generally with moderators which reduce recoil and noise (and lets face it .25-06 with a mod is like a big air rifle) people underestimate the power of some cartridges - try shooting it with the mod off and from the boom you really get a feel that there is a lot of power there.
Its a brilliant cartridge and highly underrated in my mind.
I'd discuss this with them in more detail.
With a trapdoor load .45-70 is around the 1750-1800ft/lb mark and then as the loads get hotter the power moves up to 3-3500ft/lb range at the upper end. I got a .45-70 for deer, AOLQ and target use, and hold it with an open licence, so theres no reason why you couldnt get one for deer use so far as I can tell.
Heck if anything its a safer cartridge than .30-06 as it has a lousy BC and the bullet isnt going to travel miles.
Beyond .30-06 is really going to depend on the land you have, and the deer that are on it. If you have access to a good lump of land with the larger deer species present (red, sika or fallow) then I can see the justification for a magnum cartridge.
That said I had my win mag out a while ago in one of the more open parts of our bit in Hampshire where longer shots are common, and I'd taken it specifically to go after fallow and pin them quickly. The deer I ended up shooting was a grand total of about 30y in the end, and it certainly pinned it!
TH4
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If you have an open ticket then why would the land need to be cleared ?
Eric, what is this new guidance?
I'm not aware of anything since the 2016 HO guidance linked on the first pages? A draft of new statutory guidance was published in 2019 but this is yet to be finalised. The statutory guidance is also more focussed on the black letter of the law rather than implementation, which the 2016 document is.
I'm not aware of anything since the 2016 HO guidance linked on the first pages? A draft of new statutory guidance was published in 2019 but this is yet to be finalised. The statutory guidance is also more focussed on the black letter of the law rather than implementation, which the 2016 document is.
TH4
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Don't see the relevance of that, if you have a 375 say on an open ticket with aolq then the ground does not need to be cleared, the onus is on you to decide if it is safe.
Thanks for all advice, much appreciated. Next question: I have three .22 rimfire, a model 62 Winchester, an 1890 Winchester and a Brno. I’ve read the guidance on numbers of rifles of the same calibre held, apparently no restriction if proof of lawful use demonstrated, but I wonder realistically what would be the maximum. I’ve held a FC for nearly fifty years with no probs. Thanks in advance.
Controversial!
I think that is far more situationally dependent and also based upon you local FEO.
There have been chaps on here who need a second rifle, e.g. for a different scope, heavy barrel etc and whose FEOs have flat out refused to allow that second rifle to be in the same calibre (or more correctly cartridge). Stupidly, they have then been told they would have no trouble having another rifle, just it has to be chambered in something else, e.g. you can't have two 308s but a 308 and a 7mm08 is fine!
Target shooting also seems to help, plenty of people at my range have multiples of the same calibre but, perversely, the rules seem far more relaxed for club shooters than hunters.
I think that is far more situationally dependent and also based upon you local FEO.
There have been chaps on here who need a second rifle, e.g. for a different scope, heavy barrel etc and whose FEOs have flat out refused to allow that second rifle to be in the same calibre (or more correctly cartridge). Stupidly, they have then been told they would have no trouble having another rifle, just it has to be chambered in something else, e.g. you can't have two 308s but a 308 and a 7mm08 is fine!
Target shooting also seems to help, plenty of people at my range have multiples of the same calibre but, perversely, the rules seem far more relaxed for club shooters than hunters.
And the point is that this not only the guidance for the grant (variation) - it is also (wrongly) being applied by some forces in hindsight, overrriding and withdrawing previous conditions. I have seen several instances on renewal and variation of a different calibre where this has been the case. I agree with your position, but some forces are choosing to apply the guidance inconsistently (surprise!)
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