New HS Pup

jamross65

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I know it is still in the early stages of coming off, but earlier this year I had made some enquiry into sourcing a Hanoverian for sometime next year as my GWP is now 9, and looking a couple of years ahead...

barongcw(Georges) off the site put me in touch with a friend of his Rudi, who is based in Belgium, in the hope a pup from his litter with appropriate paperwork and suitable for importing would be available. As it turned out Rudi decided he was not taking a litter this year or next but he in turn spoke with a friend of his in Hungary, who both he and Georges have dogs from, and informed me that she (a vet in Hungary) will perhaps have one available from a litter early next year if all goes well.

After several phone calls and numerous emails, I got a message last month telling me that the breeder in Hungary's bitch had just given birth.... to a single bitch puppy, and as I had shown interest sometime previously, I was being offered first opportunity to take it. Having lost 2 of my old dogs earlier this year, and a lot of empty space now obvious in the kennels, it did not take long to decide.

The main point in posting this is to thank both Georges and his friend Rudi, who have gone so far out their way (at no gain whatsoever to themselves) in assisting me in finding this pup. Rudi has even offered to drive to his friends in Hungary and pick the pup up for me and bring her back to Belgium where she will stay until able to travel over at 16 weeks old under the new quarantine laws. The trip for him is 1350km and all that he has asked is that I cover his fuel and any motorway tax due en route. Rudi said that during her initial 2 month stay with him he will even start her training. As you can see from the photo's they begin that deer association early! His own daughter is a vet and will sort all the injections out to allow the travel, and all paperwork will be completed for me.

This is all so a small number of complete enthusiasts can see this breed they are so passionate about become more popular in this country, or at least that is the impression I got from them all!

A huge thanks to all those concerned, Georges, Rudi and Rob (also from SD) and a great example of how far some folk will go to help others.
 
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nell

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Still plenty of good guys out there mate.... looks like fun....
Hope you are going to call her LUCKY:) im sure single pup litters are often aborted
 

jamross65

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Still plenty of good guys out there mate.... looks like fun....
Hope you are going to call her LUCKY:) im sure single pup litters are often aborted
Didn't know that about single pup litters...

What's Lucky in German?
 

cookingfat

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Hi JM,


I have met all three at various different dog days this year and can say they are all very good people and well done to them for being so helpfull, George has also given me some very good info on a Hanoerian for myself.

I have to wait a bit longer than you for mine.


good luck with your training and keep us posted.


Tony
 

Wolverine

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Sure she'll turn out a cracker,Georges is very very knowledgable on the breed and tracking dogs and a gentleman to boot
This is nothing but good news for the breed
Reliable dogs going to heavily worked homes,just what's needed
 

jamross65

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Just got an email from Rudi telling me that the pup has already been named by the breeder and it is as a result of it coming to Scotland....

Whisky!
 

rudy65

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By the look of her it will not be Glenmorangie whisky. Looks like a staffy cross pit bull pup you had better keep the paperwork on you or it might end up in the pound with dangerous dog on the weld mesh door.
 
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jamross65

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By the look of her it will not be Glenmorangie whisky. Looks like a staffy cross pit bull pup you had better keep the paperwork on you or it might end up in the pound with dangerous dog on the weld mesh door.
Cheers mate.

I put this on to publicly thank 3 people that helped me out in sourcing this pup, and copied the link into an email to let Rudi, who is not a member see what positive thoughts were being expressed about the breed in this country and as a way of introducing him to SD. I imagine he will now be sitting there shaking his head...

No wonder the Germans don't want to let dogs leave...

Appearance

These short-haired dogs range in colour from light to dark reddish fawn with a brindled appearance. They may also have a mask. Overall, the Hanoverian Hound is sturdily built with a large head, strong jaws and a deep chest. Their weight ranges from 36–45 kg (80-99 lbs). Males range in size from 50–55 cm (19-22 inches) while females are slightly smaller, about 48–53 cm (18-21 inches).




You will have known all about the appearance, being a dog expert and all...

(to make it easier for you I added a picture...)
 
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barongcw

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Herewith a little light reading for those of you who need little sleep. FCI breed standard 213

Hannoverscher Schweisshund

URSPRUNG
: Deutschland.
DATUM DER PUBLIKATION DES GÜLTIGEN ORIGINAL- STANDARDES : 09. 06. 1999.VERWENDUNG : Nachsuchehund,Schweisshund.KLASSIFIKATION FCI:Gruppe 6 Laufhunde, Schweisshunde undverwandte Rassen. Sektion 2 Schweisshunde. Mit Arbeitsprüfung.KURZER GESCHICHTLICHER ABRISS : Hannoversche Schweisshunde sind fast unverändert aus dem sog. Leithunddes frühen Mittelalters hervorgegangen. Der Leithund aus der Rassegruppe derBracken hat schon zur Zeit der Stammesrechte der germanischen Völker (um 500 n.Chr.) eine ausserordentliche Stellung eingenommen. Mit dem Aufkommen derFeuerwaffen wurden Jagdmethoden auf Hochwild geändert. Man benötigte einen Hundzur Nachsuche auf angeschweisstes Wild. Der Leithund bot hierfür besteVorausetzungen und so wurde aus ihm der Leit-Schweisshund. Besonders derHannoversche Jägerhof im Königreich Hannover entwickelte diese Hunderasseweiter und erhielt bewährte Führungsmethoden. Seit 1894 betreut der VereinHirschmann e.V. als Zuchtverein diese Hunderasse. Hier wurde auch der Name« Hannoverscher Schweisshund » geprägt. Seitdem werden diese Hundenach strenger Leistungszucht weiter-gezüchtet und ausschliesslich inHochwildrevieren als Spezialist für Nachsuchen auf Schalenwild geführt.ALLGEMEINES ERSCHEINUNGSBILD : Dasallgemeine Erscheinungsbild des leistungsstarken Hannoverschen Schweisshundesist das eines mittelgrossen, wohlproportionierten, kraftvollen Hundes. Gutgestellte, kräftig bemuskelte Vorder- und Hintergliedmassen befähigen ihn zuausdauernder Arbeit. Zu hohe Läufe, besonders eine überbaute Vorhandbeeinträchtigen die Arbeit mit tiefer Nase und sind typfremd. Die breite tiefe Brust bietet der Lunge viel Raum undermöglicht lange, anstrengende Hetzen. Die leicht faltige Stirn und das klare,dunkle Auge verleihen dem Hannoverschen Schweisshund den für ihn typischenernsten Gesichtsausdruck. Rassetypisch ist auch die rote Grundfärbung, die vom hellenFahlrot zur dunkel gestromten, beinahe schwarz wirkenden Färbung variierenkann.WICHTIGE PROPORTIONEN :a) Länge des Körpers / Widerristhöhe 1,4 zu 1b) Tiefe der Brust / Widerristhöhe 0,5 zu 1c) Länged.Nasenrückens / Länge des Kopfes 0,5 zu 1VERHALTEN / CHARAKTER (WESEN) : Ruhige und sichere Wesensart, dabei empfindsam gegenüber seinem Führerund wählerisch – zurückhaltend gegenüber Fremden. Hohe Konzentrationsfähigkeitbei der jagdlichen Nachsuchenarbeit mit ausgeprägter Meutebeziehung zumführenden Jäger.KOPF : Stirn leicht faltig.OBERKOPF : Schädel : Breit, in der Breite nach hinten zunehmend, flach gewölbt.Hinterhauptbein wenig ausgeprägt, Augenbrauenbogen von der Seite gesehendeutlich abgesetzt.Stop : Überwiegend stark ausgeprägt, beim Rüden deutlicher.GESICHTSSCHÄDEL : Nasenschwamm : Breit, meist schwarz, selten dunkelbraun. Nase gross, breit, Nasenflügelgut geöffnet. Nasenrücken leicht gewölbt oder fast gerade, beim Rüden stärkergewölbt. In Richtung Stirn allmählich schmaler werdend.Fang : Kräftig, tief und breit. Für den Gebrauch gut ausgebildet (etwa 50% derKopflänge). Kinnbacken kräftig.Lefzen : Breit überfallend und gut abgerundet.Kiefer/ Zähne : Kiefer normal entwickelt, sehr stark, gerade,allen Zähnen den nötigen Raum gebend. 42 Zähne. Scheren- oder Zangengebiss.Backen : Stark bemuskelt und sehr kräftig.Augen : Weder vorstehend nocht tief eingestzt, guter Lidschluss, dunkelbrauneIris. Frei von Ektropium und Entropium.Behang : Mittellang, hoch und breit angesetzt, glatt und ohne Drehung dicht amKopf herabhängend; unten stumpf abgerundet.HALS : Lang und stark, sichallmählich zur Brust erweiternd. Kehlhaut voll und locker, leichteWammenbildung ist zulässig.KÖRPER :ObereProfillinie : Lang, häufig leicht überbaut.Widerrist : Normal ansteigend, Halsansatz kräftig.Rücken : Stark.Lenden : Bei leichter Wölbung breit und biegsam.Kruppe : Breit und lang, zur Rute leicht abfallend.Brust : Tief und geräumig, mehr tief als breit.UntereProfillinie und Bauch : In allmählich aufsteigenderLinie leicht aufgezogen.RUTE : Hoch angesetzt, lang undwenig gebogen; am Ansatz kräftig, sich zur Spitze allmählich verjüngend.GLIEDMASSEN VORDERHAND Allgemeines : Von der Seite gesehen senkrecht unter den Rumpf gestellt und gerade. Vonvorne gesehen gerade, häufig bodeneng stehend. Zum Rumpf gut proportioniert. Schultern : Schulterblätter flach anliegend, fest bemuskelt, gut schräg gelagert.Oberarm : Lang.Ellenbogen : Gut nach hinten gelagert und anliegend.Unterarm : Gerade, gut bemuskelt.Vorderfubwurzelgelenk : Breit, fast gerade.Vordermittelfub : Nievöllig steil.Vorderpfoten : Kräftig, rund; Zehen gut gewölbt, eng zusammengefügt; Ballen gross undderb; Krallen kräftig.HINTERHAND :Allgemeines : Von der Seite gesehen Stellung vor- oder auch leicht rückständig. Gutgewinkelt. Von hinten gesehen gerade. Für einen mittelgrossen Hund mit mehrLänge als Höhe ist das Verhältnis zum Rumpf normal.Becken : Breit und geräumig.Oberschenkel: Kräftig bemuskelt.Knie : Gelenk mehr als 120° gewinkelt.Unterschenkel : Gerade und trocken.Sprunggelenk : Breit und stark.Hintermittelfub : Fastsenkrecht zum Boden gestellt.Hinterpfoten : Gerundet, Zehen eng zusammengefügt.GANGWERK : Beherrscht alleGangarten, dabei schwungvoll, elastisch und beim Galopp raumgreifend.Bevorzugte Gangart beim Arbeitseinsatzist Schritt und Galopp.HAUT : Dick, recht locker,überwiegend faltig am Kopf und gelegentlich im Halsbereich. Typisch ist diefaltige Stirn.HAARKLEID HAAR : Kurz, dicht, derb bis harsch, nur am hinteren Rand der Oberschenkel etwaslänger und gröber. Behaarung der Rute ist dicht und derb, an der Unterseiteetwas länger und gröber.FARBE : Hell-bis dunkelhirschrot, mehr oder weniger stark gestromt, mit und ohneMaske. Kleine weisse Flecken am Brustkern werden toleriert.GRÖSSE UND GEWICHT :Widerristhöhe : Rüden : 50 - 55 cm, Hündinnen : 48- 53 cm.Gewicht : Rüden : 30- 40 kg, Hündinnen : 25- 35 kg.FEHLER : Jede Abweichung von denvorgenannten Punkten muss als Fehler angesehen werden, dessen Bewertung ingenauem Verhältnis zum Grad der Abweichung stehen sollte und dessen Einflussauf die Gesundheit und das Wohlbefinden des Hundes zu beachten ist.
  • Quadratischer Bau.
  • Feine Knochen.
  • Gebissfehler : Fehlen des ersten Prämolaren oder anderer Zähne, Vor- und Rückbiss.
  • Ectropium, Entropium.
  • Gedrehter oder kleiner Behang.
  • Hund hinten stark überbaut.
  • Senk- oder Karpfenrücken.
  • Tonnenförmiger Brustkorb.
  • Stark gekrümmte oder dünne Rute.
  • Steile oder lose Schulter.
  • Starke Kuhhessigkeit oder Fassbeinigkeit.
  • Gespreizte Pfoten, Hasenpfoten.
AUSSCHLIESSENDE FEHLER : · Aggressivoder ängstlich.
  • Die in starker Ausprägung oder gehäuft vorkommenden oben angeführten Fehler sind ausschliessend.
Hunde, diedeutlich physische Abnormalitäten oder Verhaltensstörungen aufweisen, müssendisqualifiziert werden.
N.B. : Rüden müssen zweioffensichtlich normal entwickelte Hoden aufweisen, die sich vollständig imHodensack befinden.
 
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Wolverine

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Don't rise to the idiot,not worth bothering with
Jealousy is an awful thing me thinks
Bet he hasn't even seen a Hanoverian,plenty of staffy crosses though I'll wager
Maybe even a BMH that follows offal along a trail,if it's the same lad I'm thinkin of,eh 6p?
Ignore the troll!
 

rudy65

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Clam Down i was just having a laugh we all know what Glenmorangie stands for and the brindle resembles the makings of my lads staff. Jamross she looks stunning for something i know nothing about and i will bet Wolverine knows nothing about them also . So lets not get away from the novelty factor and hopefully enjoy the stories Jamross tells us in the future.
Don't take offence there was none meant.
 
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RoeHunter

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Herewith a little light reading for those of you who need little sleep. FCI breed standard 213.

Or in English..........
FCI-Standard N° 213 / 18. 11. 2002/ GB

Hannoverscher Schweisshund
(Hannoverscher Schweisshund)
TRANSLATION : C. Seidler, revised by E.Peper.

ORIGIN : Germany.

DATE OF PUBLICATION OF THE ORIGINAL VALID STANDARD : 09. 06. 1999.

UTILIZATION : Scenthound, tracking hound for wounded game.

CLASSIFICATION F.C.I. : Group 6 Scenthounds and related breeds.
Section 2 Scenthounds/Leash Hounds.
With working trial.

BRIEF HISTORICAL SUMMARY : The Hanoverian Scenthound (Hannoverscher Schweisshund) has developed almost unchanged from the so called « liam hound » (leash hound) of the early Middle Ages. The liam hound, from the breed section of the « Bracke », already played an extraordinary part at the time of the establishment of clan rights of the Germanic tribes (in about 500AD).
With the invention of firearms, the methods of hunting big game altered. Dogs were needed to search for wounded game. The liam hound offered the best conditions for this and so he became a « Liam-Scenthound ». Especially the Hanoverian hunting estate in the kingdom of Hannover developed this breed further and preserved the proven methods of handling these hounds.
Since 1894 the registered « Verein Hirschmann e.V. » has been taking care of the breed and it was in this club where the breed’s name “Hannoverscher Schweisshund” (Hanoverian Scenthound) has been established.
Since that time the breeding of these dogs has continued strictly with regard of their working ability, and the dogs are used exclusively in hunting grounds for big game as specialists in tracking cloven-hoof game.

GENERAL APPEARANCE : In general appearance the highly efficient Hanoverian Scenthound (Hannoverscher Schweisshund) is of medium size, well proportioned and powerful. Well set strongly muscled fore and hind limbs qualify him for tireless work. Too long legs, specially overbuilt forequarters, affect his work with nose to ground and are foreign to his type. The broad, deep chest provides ample room for the lungs and enables long, strenuous chases. The slightly wrinkled forehead and the clear dark eyes produce the serious expression typical of the breed. Also typical for the breed is the red primary colour of the coat which can vary from a pale fawn colour to a dark brindle, almost black appearing, colouring.

IMPORTANT PROPORTIONS :

  • A. Length of body to height at withers :
1.4 to 1

  • B. Depth of chest to height at withers :
0.5 to 1

  • C. Length of bridge of nose to length of head :
0.5 to 1

BEHAVIOUR / TEMPERAMENT : Calm and assured temperament. Sensitive with his handler, choosy and discerning with strangers. High capability of concentration in any tracking work with strong loyalty to the hunter in charge.

HEAD Forehead slightly wrinkled.

CRANIAL REGION :
Skull : Broad, increasing in width towards the rear, flatly rounded. Occiput barely pronounced. Seen from the side, superciliary ridges clearly defined.
Stop : Mostly strongly pronounced, more so in males.

FACIAL REGION :
Nose : Broad, mostly black, rarely dark brown. Nose large, broad, nostrils well opened. Bridge of nose slightly arched or almost straight, more arched in males. Gradually narrowing towards forehead.
Muzzle : Strong, deep and broad. Well developed for being used (about 50% of length of head). Mandible strong.
Lips : Broad and pendulous, well rounded.
Jaws/Teeth : Jaws normally developed, very strong, straight, providing all teeth with sufficient room. 42 teeth. Scissor or pincer bite.
Cheeks : Strongly muscled and very strong.
Eyes : Neither prominent nor deep-set, well fitting lids, darkbrown iris. Free of ectropion or entropion.
Ears : Of medium length. Set on high and broad, smooth, hanging close to the head without twist. Bluntly rounded at the tips.

NECK : Long and strong, gradually widening towards chest. Skin on throat full and loose, slight dewlap permissible.

BODY :
Topline : Long, often slightly overbuilt.
Withers : With normal rise. Base of neck strong.
Back : Strong.
Loins : Broad and pliable with slight arch.
Croup : Broad and long, sloping slightly towards the tail.
Chest : Deep and spacious, deep rather than broad.
Underline and belly : In a gradually rising line slightly tucked up.

TAIL : High set-on, long and barely curved. Strong at set-on, gradually tapering towards the tip.

LIMBS

FOREQUARTERS :
In general : Seen from the side, vertically set under the body and straight. Seen from the front, straight, often standing close. Well in proportion to the body.
Shoulders : Shoulder blade flat and close to the body, strongly muscled, well laid back.
Upperarm : Long.
Elbows : Well set backwards, close to the body.
Forearm : Straight, well muscled.
Carpal joint : Broad, almost straight.
Pasterns : Never totally steep.
Forefeet : Strong, round; toes well arched, well-knit; pads large and tough; strong nails.

HINDQUARTERS :
In general : Seen from the side, set under the body or slightly standing back. Well angulated. Seen from behind, straight. For a medium-sized dog which is longer than high, normal in proportion to the body.
Pelvis : Broad and capacious.
Upper thigh : Strongly muscled.
Stifle : With an angle of more than 120°.
Lower thigh : Straight and lean.
Hock joint : Broad and strong.
Hock : Almost vertical to the ground.
Hind feet : Rounded, well-knit toes.

GAIT/MOVEMENT : Able to move in all gaits, full of drive, flexible, ground-covering when galloping. Preferred gaits at work are the walk or the gallop.

SKIN : Thick, rather loose, mostly wrinkled on the head and occasionally at the throat, too. A wrinkled forehead is typical.

COAT

HAIR : Short, thick, coarse to harsh. Somewhat longer and coarser on the rear edges of the upper thighs only. Coat on tail is dense and coarse, a little longer and coarser on underside.

COLOUR : Light to dark deer-red, more or less intensely brindled, with or without mask. Small white patches on forechest tolerated.

SIZE AND WEIGHT :
Height at withers : Dogs : 50 - 55 cm,
Bitches : 48 - 53 cm.
Weight : Dogs : 30 - 40 kg,
Bitches : 25 - 35 kg.

FAULTS : Any departure from the foregoing points should be considered a fault and the seriousness with which the fault should be regarded should be in exact proportion to its degree and its effect upon the health and welfare of the dog.

  • Square build.
  • Fine bones.
  • Faulty mouth : Lack of the first premolar (PM1) or of other teeth. Under- or overshot bite.
  • Ectropion, entropion.
  • Twisted or small leathers.
  • Hindquarters strongly overbuilt.
  • Swayback or roach back.
  • Barrel shaped ribcage.
  • Strongly curved or thin tail.
  • Steep or loose shoulders.
  • Strongly cow-hocked or bandy-legged.
  • Splayed feet, harefeet.

ELIMINATING FAULTS :

  • Aggresive or overly shy.
  • The above mentioned faults when occurring to a highly marked degree or frequently are eliminating.

Any dog clearly showing physical or behavioural abnormalities shall be disqualified.

N.B. : Male animals should have two apparently normally developed testicles fully descended into the scrotum
 

Wolverine

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Clam Down i was just having a laugh we all know what Glenmorangie stands for and the brindle resembles the makings of my lads staff. Jamross she looks stunning for something i know nothing about and i will bet Wolverine knows nothing about them also . So lets not get away from the novelty factor and hopefully enjoy the stories Jamross tells us in the future.
Don't take offence there was none meant.
Know more about them than yourself obviously,if you thought it was a staff x pit bull:doh:
As for novelty factor,think you'll find these hounds are no novelty
 

rudy65

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I am not getting into a ****ing contest over some one else's pup. They are a rare dog fact (Novelty) breed at this moment no one knows much about them this side of the water so my comments come from observations (They look like a bull breed type ). You are correct of coarse i have seen plenty Staffys in fact they are the most common dog in my area.
I wish Jamross well with his new pup and look forward to hearing his storeys and i hope i am wrong and it is a tranquil puppy. lol
 

barongcw

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Thank you for that translation , I have been looking for a translation for ages. Hoped that somebody would produce it.
 
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