New rifle or re barrel an old?

Biathlonjimmy

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I should be in the market for a new left handed rifle around April. I was settled on buying a Tikka T3 in either 6.5x55 or .308. (This is not a calibre debate, really)

Whilst handling new Tikka lite and hunter versions in my local I noticed a lh Tikka 595 in .22-250. The owner told me it was shot out and would find out what he'd let me have it for.


I am estimating that the cost of re-barreling the old action and tidying the stock will cost as much as buying a T3 Lite or Hunter new.


Which is the better action?


What are the benefits of re-barreling an old action over buying new,if any?


Your help is appreciated.


James
 

oldmate

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In my opinion I would buy the one that feels the best to you, if it's the old one than rebarrel to tha caliber you want. You might want to check the bolt and magazine are compatible with what caliber you want? May be a small problem or extra cost maybe.
Wes
 

LeftHandGuy

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I think you'll find that the 595 is a "short action", which means that a re-barrel to 308 would be fine, but I don't know if the sweede just sneaks into the "long" category? FWIW From all I have heard, I would buy the 595 and go for the re-barrel - general consensus seems to be that it was built to a higher standard. Although having said that, general consensus also seems to suggest that you can't go wrong with a T3 either....
 

Biathlonjimmy

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In my opinion I would buy the one that feels the best to you, if it's the old one than rebarrel to tha caliber you want. You might want to check the bolt and magazine are compatible with what caliber you want? May be a small problem or extra cost maybe.
Wes
Thanks Wes. I realise that the rebarrel would be .308 due to the action and same head size as .22-250. This is fine. The magazine is not something I'd thought about though.
 

sir-slots-alot

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There are pro's and cons with each option.

Pro's

Rebarrelling give you more control deciding things like - barrel length , weight , riflling twist , profile , fluting options - thread size

Theretically a custom barrel should also be a more accurate than a factory tube - but from bitter experience I know this isnt the case everytime.
I have a standard M595 in 223 which is more accurate than both of the custom barrelled 6BRs I owned.

The 595 action certainly feels sturdier and better built than the T3


Downsides

Theres usually a wait for the work to be complete and proofing ect - rather than just picking a rifle off the shelf.

Not a lot of after market parts for M595 - compared with T3's

Also bare in mind that the you will need a new mag for the 595 - as the 22.250 mag is fitted with a spacer for the shorter 22.250 ammo - you need one for 243 and 308 ( without the spacer)



ATB
Alan
 

jcampbellsmith

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James

Some very good questions that you are asking. Perhaps you need to sit down and think about what you want to be shooting in five years time? One thing to consider is that the custom route never really seems to end and can get quite expensive in terms of triggers, stocks, picatinny rails etc. The rifle below started life as a used .308 Win. It was then re-barrelled to 260 Rem and it's going to get its third 260 Rem barrel shortly.
http://www.thestalkingdirectory.co.uk/gallery/member-galleries/p2948-remington-700-sa-in-260-rem.html
Take your time and have fun.

JCS
 

ejg

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I think in the long run the T3 action would be better, better supply of aftermarket bits, more choice of cartridges. The T3 action has been accepted by some countries to be used as the main sniper weapon meaning it is not as bad as some make it. (I would certainly prefer it over older the models)
Best case would be to find a shot out T3 and re-barrel to 308 with a match barrel, fit a good stock suitable to the task ahead. Saying that, there are very few that complain about the accuracy of a T3 308 or 6.5x55.
edi
 

Eric the Red

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As a fellow Southpaw and a 595 owner, I'm not sure I agree with the statement regarding aftermarket entirely. While more manufacturers do produce product, there are suppliers for the 595 out there. The only thing I have not been able to procure for the 595 to date is a bottom metal and I have to confess I have not tried that hard to source one. One could conclude that the fact that more 595 product is coming to market shows how good the action is - but the reality is there is little difference between them and I am sure either will do you well. As has been said, let the heart make that decision as you will feel better about the end product.

I would not hesitate to buy another 595 - indeed I am looking for a 695 LH for my next project.....
 

rabbitter

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I'm very much a 'buy it in the morning', 'zero it at lunch' and be 'out with it in the afternoon' kind of bloke, so I would buy the new T3 in the style you like. You can rest easy that you have bought a very accurate rifle which will get the best out of factory ammunition if you don't reload and in the unlikely event that you have any problems, you have a warranty.

You know going in what your costs are going to be and you are pretty much guaranteed an accurate rifle which will last you a long time. As an aside, I'm sure you realise that the Tikka T3 action is one size, so if you fancy the Swede, the action won't be any bigger than the .308.

regards


Ian
 

Yoda

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If you do the work yourself, re-barrel.
If you need to have someone do it for you, buy another rifle.
With guns of that value it wouldn't be cost affective to re-barrel really, would it?
 

derek treherne

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Spot on with sir-slots-alot one thing to bear in mind you can get a new cz for the price of a re barrel job i have been down that road to my cost.
 

8x57

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If you do the work yourself, re-barrel.
If you need to have someone do it for you, buy another rifle.
With guns of that value it wouldn't be cost affective to re-barrel really, would it?
Totally agree. When faced with the same dilema 2 years ago as much as I would have liked to rebarrel my beloved 595 it was far more econimical to simply replace it with another rifle so a no brainer in my case. If I had the ability and facilities to re-barrel it myself it would have been another matter but I didn't so I sold the action and spare mags that I had for that rifle and bought myself a Browning A-Bolt.

At first I thought that I may have made a big error but the A-Bolt has grown on me and with the correct ammo will actually shoot every bit as good as my old 595 but it still doesn't feel quite the same to me. Perhaps that's just because the 595 had such a well designed stock and it just happened to fit me perfect.
 

rabbitter

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That, to me, is different though. If I already owned a rifle which I really enjoyed, I would rather re-barrel than replace it. In the OP's position though, where he doesn't own either, I still say buy a new one. :)
 

Milligan

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If you are going re-barrel do your homework on the smith, take references and put your BS detectors on full power as results may vary.
Standard T3, does what it says on the tin.
 

Harry mac

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Also bear in mind, that if you go for the re-barrel, you'll pay once for the rifle and once for the work, so you'll end up with at least £500 in the project, just to end up with a second hand rifle worth £400.
 

Biathlonjimmy

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Thank you to all who contributed.

As expected the answers differ somewhat but that is the beauty of an open forum discussion.

I think, summarising the thread, I get:

If money were no object then rebarreling a good second hand action, or getting a full custom build, could be a very rewarding experience.

If money is an obstacle, which for me it is, buy a new T3 and it will do the business without any waiting and at the best price point.

I think that buying a new factory rifle is the best option for me at this point in time. I do however long for a custom build rifle. I really think that it would feel rather special.

Thanks again for the collective wisdom.

James
 

Gunner223

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James
I bought a Tikka lite in 6-5x55 6 months ago, since then i replaced the stock with a Boyds thumbhole, and fitted a long action bottom metal to take AI mags, to get the bullet closer to the lands,
and i love it, and very accurate .
 

MARCBO

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The T3 action has been accepted by some countries to be used as the main sniper weapon meaning it is not as bad as some make it.
ejg,

Having a long background in military sniping I am curious as to which countries have adopted the T3 action. In my experince militaries buy complete guns not just actions.

SS
 

ejg

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Marcbo, they didn't tell you everything...did they:D
one company I dealt with was Peters Stahl GmbH from Germany, they used to build "sniper" rifles on T3 actions which were exported mainly to African countries for their police forces and mil units as they were not quite as expensive as other full blown custom rifles. The founder of Peters Stahl was more known for custom parts for the 1911 pistol. Michael Stuckenkemper who took over built rifles based on various actions partially also his own. In the end he ran the business into the ground.
If a remmy action is useful as a base for a sniper rifle I don't think a T3 will be far off. I just built a stock and fitted an AI 300WM mag system which will be run with 30-06, it was a bit tricky. 308 AICS mags seems to work well though.
edi
 

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