Nhs you fkn clowns

[Matt_R]

We all spread the cost of helping each other in nationalised healthcare.

Like insurance then?

 

[HonestJohn]

Like insurance then?

Not so much, because insurance is loaded based on underwriting and pre existing conditions and lifestyle habits, and is based on your own risk level. I get your point, but not quite the same

 

[Matt_R]

Not so much, because insurance is loaded based on underwriting and pre existing conditions and lifestyle habits, and is based on your own risk level. I get your point, but not quite the same

Which may well be better. Rather than ban sugar for all to "Save the NHS" we could just charge fatties more. Other examples available - dangerous activities for example.
Or we provide a basic level of cover via state funding and allow people to top up their own cover (Irish model).
Either way, the funding could be separate from the provision to allow the consumer the choice of where they are treated. Current NHS is run for the benefit of the organisation rather than the people using it.
And don't even get me started on the sheer number of mothers & babies the NHS has killed due to dogma and incompetence in maternity wards.

 

[Matt_R]

My sister in law in DC saw a chap being rejected for his treatment by his insurance company at that hospital, they wanted him moved to one they covered costs for. The surgeon said the patient would not survive a move to another hospital. The insurance company said the surgeon would have to cover the costs if the procedure was to continue, so the patient as removed from intensive care and surgery and subsequently died before reaching the ‘approved’ hospital.

Sick

For every anecdote about the downsides of the US model, we can find an equally depraved example in the NHS:

Bumping people off under the Liverpool "Care" Pathway.
Releasing vulnerable older people from hospital into nursing homes during COVID.
Scores of maternity failings leading to the deaths of hundred of mothers & babies.

Everyone thinks he idea of the NHS is great until they get to experience the reality.

 

[HonestJohn]

For every anecdote about the downsides of the US model, we can find an equally depraved example in the NHS:

Bumping people off under the Liverpool "Care" Pathway.
Releasing vulnerable older people from hospital into nursing homes during COVID.
Scores of maternity failings leading to the deaths of hundred of mothers & babies.

Everyone think the idea for the NHS is great until they get to experience the reality.

You’re right, but, we don’t kick sick or dying people out on the street due to lack of insurance. It’s the post code lottery, and the NHS certainly has its failures, for sure! But the concept is right we just need the right people in power to equalise the treatment levels nationwide to ensure the tax payers monies are equally distributed and service levels provided fairly. Hopefully Andy will start that process…. It wont be overnight, but I do think he has the right intentions, so hopefully!!

 

[Matt_R]

Ever wondered why we haven't got enough of our own doctors so we need to import them from abroad (thus depriving poorer countries of medical staff)?

Look no further than the "closed shop" decision of the BMA, ably assisted by UK Gov, to limit the number of medical places available and stop any new medical schools opening - https://www.bmj.com/content/337/bmj.a748

This is what happens when you have a single funded/supply model so that there is no other mechanism to work around their asshattery!

 

[Freeforester]

Pretty standard.
My wife tore the rotator cuff in her shoulder 9 weeks ago.
Private physio immediately diagnosed and recommend an MRI.
Dr said they would decide and thought it might actually be a stress fracture of the upper arm and Sent her to X ray.
X ray was clear so doc sent her to NHS physio who sent her for an urgent ultrasound sound, that took another 4 weeks. The technician said it was unclear what the problem was and recommend an MRI.
She had that yesterday and was told the Doc would have tge results in about 4 weeks time.......

Keyhole , go private - it’ll be worth it by the time you’ve wrung out the hankie.

 

[slider]

Keyhole , go private - it’ll be worth it by the time you’ve wrung out the hankie.

seriously considering that

 

[slider]

It isn’t perfect but when you are really in the **** in my experience move heaven and earth to help.
I wouldn’t be here now if the two ambulances, paramedic specialists and air ambulance doctor weren’t available on a busy Friday morning. Then three surgeons and fourteen other doctors, nurses and anesthetists spending all day saving my arm. All followed by more operations and 18 days on a trauma ward.
It was all FOC. Must have been worth well over 200k easily.

agree the service is superb in acute/999 situations. It's chronic conditions the are the problem

 

[The Optimist]

That records thing is pretty surprising (and insane). You guys don't have the MyChart app in the UK? We use it here, and it allows sharing of medical records between providers, and the patient controls what is shared with who.

It's a standard thing here, and allows a patient's records to follow them, not which ever hospital did whatever treatment.

Sounds like NHS needs a DOGE department.

We do have My Chart here, but I don’t think it is accessible or used everywhere. It may depend upon the individual Health Trust? I’ve got the app on my phone and have accessed it frequently this year for test results. Communication and sharing of information and data between hospital departments and hospitals and GPs is, in my experience, absolutely atrocious though.