Not enough land for 243!

Jimbob39

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I have requested our own land be signed off for 243 and told it won’t be signed off for any calibre, however I can shoot on it as I have open cert For .22-250, but closed for 243! The land totals 28 acres which has sheep, shot several foxes off it over the past couple of months so justification is there. The 243 was added in feb as a new calibration and came back closed for some daft reason. FEO said there is no minimum area but his boss won’t allow it. Crazy?
 

spannulman

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No sense to these decisions. I was told I would not get a .270 approved for my first FAC on my ground but a .243 would be ok. He said the topography and proximity to the village ( despite it being 100a of woodland with 150a of arable around two sides of it) meant 270 wasn’t safe but 243 was!

I didn’t have the confidence back then to point out the stupidity of that argument but if I knew then what I know now I would have argued the point.
 

bobby18

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I have requested our own land be signed off for 243 and told it won’t be signed off for any calibre, however I can shoot on it as I have open cert For .22-250, but closed for 243! The land totals 28 acres which has sheep, shot several foxes off it over the past couple of months so justification is there. The 243 was added in feb as a new calibration and came back closed for some daft reason. FEO said there is no minimum area but his boss won’t allow it. Crazy?
Same position as you,sent in a request to open the 243 ,still waiting for reply.
 

Tf223

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I had issue when I asked for the 6.5x55 after having an open .223. My permission with roe (and the good reason for the 6.5) was very flat land. Despite meeting and demonstrating how it could be safely shot using high seats etc they didn’t want to okay it because they couldn’t condition high seats. So they knew it could be shot safely and with good reason but didn’t want to approve because they weren’t 100% comfortable as they couldn’t condition the land.
In the end I used another permission I shoot on, and they gave me the 6.5 on an open cert because it was to be used for deer and fox - so in the end the original land I asked for could be shot.
Public safety is paramount, but sometimes the hoops aren’t the most pragmatic
 

Sonicdmb73

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I have requested our own land be signed off for 243 and told it won’t be signed off for any calibre, however I can shoot on it as I have open cert For .22-250, but closed for 243! The land totals 28 acres which has sheep, shot several foxes off it over the past couple of months so justification is there. The 243 was added in feb as a new calibration and came back closed for some daft reason. FEO said there is no minimum area but his boss won’t allow it. Crazy?
Have you got that refusal in writing?
If not email or write to the department and ask them to justify their refusal. It gives you something to take higher up if necessary.
 

Foxyboy43

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Hmmm. Interesting post - over here you would not get a .243 for foxes - full stop. We have a “banded” system and 22-250 is the most powerful you can have so even if I am on a high density sheep farm with my deer-conditioned 6.5 or .308 I cannot shoot a fox with either as we do not have AOLQ. Farmers are really pleased of course! Absolute nonsense but there we have it so count yourselves lucky!
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riflerob

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I would ask for the refusal to be reviewed, and, if confirmed, to be given in writing - along with the reasons for said refusal and under what part of the HO guidance those reasons fall
 

JTO

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I have requested our own land be signed off for 243 and told it won’t be signed off for any calibre, however I can shoot on it as I have open cert For .22-250, but closed for 243! The land totals 28 acres which has sheep, shot several foxes off it over the past couple of months so justification is there. The 243 was added in feb as a new calibration and came back closed for some daft reason. FEO said there is no minimum area but his boss won’t allow it. Crazy?

Are you in any organization that includes legal help in the membership.
Mentioning BASC usually sees them back down if they think you have help with an appeal.
I think no lower rank that assistant chief constable used to have to face a specialist barrister in an appeal situation.
 

badbob

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open for 22-250 closed for .243 ??????????????????? cannot shoot a fox with a 6.5 or .308 ?????????
signing off , conditioning land ?, yes crazy,
again the thin end of the wedge in restricting what we can do.
 

DavyG

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Hmmm. Interesting post - over here you would not get a .243 for foxes - full stop. We have a “banded” system and 22-250 is the most powerful you can have so even if I am on a high density sheep farm with my deer-conditioned 6.5 or .308 I cannot shoot a fox with either as we do not have AOLQ. Farmers are really pleased of course! Absolute nonsense but there we have it so count yourselves lucky!
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Indeed...☹️ I can remember so many occasions when out for deer, when Foxy appears and I haven’t been able to take the shot because of our FAC restrictions. 😜
DG
 

caberslash

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open for 22-250 closed for .243 ??????????????????? cannot shoot a fox with a 6.5 or .308 ?????????
signing off , conditioning land ?, yes crazy,
again the thin end of the wedge in restricting what we can do.

More like over-reach by low ranking desk wallahs, licensing departments are there to provide a service, if they refuse to do it then this needs to be highlighted as we effectively pay their wages.

Same for doctors who won't tick and sign a form.
 

Jimbob39

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The reason I want our land signing off is to mean I have permanent base land for the calibres I hold. Told chap that it seemed crazy that I could shoot on my open but the law didn’t deem it safe! Think I’ll have another chat.
 
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