Swedish
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You can buy firearms in all states of the USA, some states or areas require permits and some impose restrictions in certain areas.
Oregon firearms laws
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Jagare
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So an American state changed their gun laws making them a bit stricter. Now some are worried about this may have an affect on UK gun laws. Am I missing something? Last time I looked UK gun laws were a complete clusterphuck. If I lived back in the UK Oregons gun laws would be the least of my concerns.
long_range_rob
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So an Oregon FAC really. People will buy in other states and drive home with them. Unenforceable at first glance, political grandstanding
UpNorthMI
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It's interesting to read the comments of this will never affect us or that the US is different.
I have a unique perspective as I split my time between the US and the UK and have done so for over 25 years. I have actively been involved in most aspects of shotgun and firearm shooting since I was old enough and have held a UK SGC and FAC for just over 40 years. I have run rifle, pistol and shotgun shooting clubs in the UK and continue to hunt extensively in both countries. Most of my friends are shooting related one way or another.
In my experience there is a very large difference in gun ownership between the UK and the US, the key one being the number of legal gun owners in each country. Based on a quick Google, the number of gun owners compared to the overall population, in the UK it is 3.3% when compared to the US which is 35%+. The other key difference is the general approach to life, in the UK we generally take what our government gives us and give little push back, we are poorly organized to represent ourselves and have a lack of cohesion between different shooting sports. In the US gun ownership is a key right and the NRA is a very strong organization to speak up and fight for all shooters rights.
Before the UK pistol ban, I often thought the US stance on guns to be a little extreme, however today I believe that shooters need to band together and protect whatever they can of their rights. As a professional law abiding person I follow the gun laws that are in place in both the UK and the US. Unfortunately in both countries it is generally not the law abiding gun owners who are the issue, illegal guns, bad people, crime, drugs etc. are the real issues. When there have been issues in the UK involving licensed gun owners, it often turns out that there was some police administration issue too, as gun owners we continually pay for these errors with further poor quality legislation.
I feel that we all could do more to make our collective voice heard in the UK and to support other shooters no matter what discipline they are interested in. Our current licensing and administration is in disarray in many counties, this needs to be a key complaint for UK shooters and our shooting organizations, this needs to be fixed. We need to be prepared to pay more for fees in return for better service and turn around times.
Comparing US legislation to UK legislation is a non starter, but all shooters need to open their eyes and understand what is going on in the world, every bad event involving guns is a constant basis for tighter and stricter gun ownership laws. In the meantime enjoy the sport that you have, I love my UK stalking, boar, foxing, driven pheasant and rough shooting, I love my opportunities in the US to own as many guns as I like, to walk into my local Bass Pro and buy several handguns at a time. Hunting opportunities are many for elk, deer, boar and many more with bow, crossbow, and rifle..
Tomorrow I will be in the Northern Michigan woodlands with over 500,000 hunters for opening rifle day of whitetail deer season (I hunt a large piece of private land, it's much safer!). In lower Michigan large businesses, auto assembly plants will close, many businesses have a skeleton staff, restaurants and stores will offer deer widows specials, the main road North will be filled with every type of truck and trailer, campers, 4 wheelers. This is an army of over 5% of the total State population, generations of grandfathers, fathers, sons, cousins and friends will spend quality time at their deer camps, the US has a strong family gun culture in areas like this, hunting is a major provider of income to 2/3 of the State. Most Americans are passionate about their culture, their rights and they are prepared to be outspoken and to fight for what they believe in. I feel that many people in the UK could be more passionate and active about what they feel is right.
In 2 weeks time I will be back in the UK for some stalking and pheasant shooting, catching up with good friends and enjoying our great sports. I am a proud hunter and gun owner, who takes the time to find out what is going on and to take the time to oppose unnecessary legislation where ever I can. My biggest investment in the future of the sports both in the Uk and the US is the recruitment of new shooters, particularly young people who need help getting into our sports.
I have a unique perspective as I split my time between the US and the UK and have done so for over 25 years. I have actively been involved in most aspects of shotgun and firearm shooting since I was old enough and have held a UK SGC and FAC for just over 40 years. I have run rifle, pistol and shotgun shooting clubs in the UK and continue to hunt extensively in both countries. Most of my friends are shooting related one way or another.
In my experience there is a very large difference in gun ownership between the UK and the US, the key one being the number of legal gun owners in each country. Based on a quick Google, the number of gun owners compared to the overall population, in the UK it is 3.3% when compared to the US which is 35%+. The other key difference is the general approach to life, in the UK we generally take what our government gives us and give little push back, we are poorly organized to represent ourselves and have a lack of cohesion between different shooting sports. In the US gun ownership is a key right and the NRA is a very strong organization to speak up and fight for all shooters rights.
Before the UK pistol ban, I often thought the US stance on guns to be a little extreme, however today I believe that shooters need to band together and protect whatever they can of their rights. As a professional law abiding person I follow the gun laws that are in place in both the UK and the US. Unfortunately in both countries it is generally not the law abiding gun owners who are the issue, illegal guns, bad people, crime, drugs etc. are the real issues. When there have been issues in the UK involving licensed gun owners, it often turns out that there was some police administration issue too, as gun owners we continually pay for these errors with further poor quality legislation.
I feel that we all could do more to make our collective voice heard in the UK and to support other shooters no matter what discipline they are interested in. Our current licensing and administration is in disarray in many counties, this needs to be a key complaint for UK shooters and our shooting organizations, this needs to be fixed. We need to be prepared to pay more for fees in return for better service and turn around times.
Comparing US legislation to UK legislation is a non starter, but all shooters need to open their eyes and understand what is going on in the world, every bad event involving guns is a constant basis for tighter and stricter gun ownership laws. In the meantime enjoy the sport that you have, I love my UK stalking, boar, foxing, driven pheasant and rough shooting, I love my opportunities in the US to own as many guns as I like, to walk into my local Bass Pro and buy several handguns at a time. Hunting opportunities are many for elk, deer, boar and many more with bow, crossbow, and rifle..
Tomorrow I will be in the Northern Michigan woodlands with over 500,000 hunters for opening rifle day of whitetail deer season (I hunt a large piece of private land, it's much safer!). In lower Michigan large businesses, auto assembly plants will close, many businesses have a skeleton staff, restaurants and stores will offer deer widows specials, the main road North will be filled with every type of truck and trailer, campers, 4 wheelers. This is an army of over 5% of the total State population, generations of grandfathers, fathers, sons, cousins and friends will spend quality time at their deer camps, the US has a strong family gun culture in areas like this, hunting is a major provider of income to 2/3 of the State. Most Americans are passionate about their culture, their rights and they are prepared to be outspoken and to fight for what they believe in. I feel that many people in the UK could be more passionate and active about what they feel is right.
In 2 weeks time I will be back in the UK for some stalking and pheasant shooting, catching up with good friends and enjoying our great sports. I am a proud hunter and gun owner, who takes the time to find out what is going on and to take the time to oppose unnecessary legislation where ever I can. My biggest investment in the future of the sports both in the Uk and the US is the recruitment of new shooters, particularly young people who need help getting into our sports.
HonestJohn
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And the home of the brave
not sure if any nation totally outlaws firearms of all kinds ? They just make it different degrees of hassle and paperwork . The diffence from Cape cod to freeport amazed me . Anyhow nobody can get that Genie back in the bottle or find a big enough bottle
Scotty99
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It will be interesting if this state level proposition will stand given it infringes on the 2nd amendment. Presumably if challenged and it goes to the SCOTUS it will be overturned. I seem to recall that the ban on semi auto rifles (I refuse to call them assault rifles) and high cap magazines in California was also overturned about 9-12 months ago.
Limiting mag sizes to 10 is a big deal in the US, given Glocks have 13 or 15 mag capacities depending on calibre and they are probably the most ubiquitous firearm used for EDC.
I’ll watch with interest.
Limiting mag sizes to 10 is a big deal in the US, given Glocks have 13 or 15 mag capacities depending on calibre and they are probably the most ubiquitous firearm used for EDC.
I’ll watch with interest.
pretty sure 3.3% isnt the full story in the uk , perhaps they just counted FAC not SGC . If 12 ftlb air was counted is would be more like usa figures , those still being easy to obtain . Thinking of my neighbours i guess 75% ? per household might be fair
Bavarianbrit
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When I was in Detroit Warren area 1983-85 the best hunting was in the bars there as all the men were oop north and the widows were gagging. hell of a time it was. I was back then only a rifle shooter as Michigan as I remember did not allow foreigners "legal aliens" from obtaining pistols.
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Swedish
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I was responding to your opening sentence that asserts that some states do not allow the purchase of firearms.
I thought that was correct regards the details ? I am pretty sure most nations on earth allow the purchase of firearms , its just the degree of difficulty
While I’m living here in the UK currently, I am from Oregon. Pretty displeased with this passing. We already had finger printing and background checks. They want you to have an approved safety class that as of right now doesn’t existed. (All sorts of classes you can take but nothing govt sponsored) Guns sales will be put on hold until that gets sorted. No way around that. I’ve heard a year maybe two. They also want you to pay for permit that allows you to purchase guns, but that is why we did background checks, to confirm that you can own guns.
It’s a feel good measure for people who don’t think. I read that 77% of Oregon’s gun related deaths were suicide (from supporters of the bill) It appears the issue is mental health not firearms.
Sorry for the rant
I feel better now.
It’s a feel good measure for people who don’t think. I read that 77% of Oregon’s gun related deaths were suicide (from supporters of the bill) It appears the issue is mental health not firearms.
Sorry for the rant
I feel better now.Similar threads
