PARD 008 to DS35 70 LRF

So, recently upgraded from a Pard 008LRF to a DS35 70 LRF and thought I'd share my thoughts to help others when deciding on their next / first NV.

To start, I've had an original 008 LRF for years now and have used it multiple times a week, and have loved it. This was my introduction to NV and it has served me well. It's accounted for more foxes than I care to imagine and has been invaluable to me. Despite this praise I have had a few issues with the set up. For one, the mounting is pants, and resulted in having to re-zero more often than I'd like. Losing zero almost felt random and I could be a couple of MOA out sometimes, bang on others. Secondly, having to have the additional IR is a faff. It's a brilliant piece of kit and really adds to the capability of the unit, but it's something else to forget and to have to switch on and off. Faff basically. Lastly, and this may be just me, but shooting over 180 yards with this unit was a no no. I just did not have the image quality needed.

Enter the DS35. On the box it seemed to fix my three issues.. robust mounting, no need for add on IR and better image. After reading as much literature I could, and seeing Russ and Bruce's first thoughts video on the unit, I thought f**k it I'll preordered it from Ian @ Blackwood Outdoors. I've never pre-ordered anything in my life, I very much like to get others opinions on stuff first then make a judgement, & not be the guinea pig. I had been considering a C50 or Alpex, but I valued the LRF way too much to lose it. I don't care what anyone says, I can't tell if a fox is 200 yards or 300 yards in the pitch black. I also liked the fact the PARD had a higher base mag than the C50 and Alpex, which suited my foxing needs better.

After some hassle with DPD delivering it to a pickup locker, me going to fetch it excitedly, punching in the code only for the locker to open its door to me, empty.... it arrived the day after, phew. Skipping the boring bits I got it on the rifle and zeroed it like you would any other digital NV scope, I got cracking.

First thing I noticed is the mounted IR is actually ridiculously good, and all you need. The image attached is with the feeder at 200 yards, with the unit on IR3 and on between flood and focused on 5.6 mag. To me, that's a clear image and way clearer than what I was getting with the 008 + Sirius XLT. Image out to 350 is good enough to ID a fox. This meant I left the Sirius XLT in the LR as there was no need at all. The IR may eat batteries, but if you use the unit on standby until you need it like I do, theres really no issue. Having the convenience to flick one button and have everything on a big bonus.

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The second thing I noticed was the round screen / centre shift zero. It was a far better "experience" than looking through at a rectangle screen with a reticule that was slighlty off centre, felt more "natural". The FOV may be narrower but it seemed easier to get on target as the traditional circular image and centred reticule hones you onto your target way quicker. Before I was trying to find my target then find my reticule. Just seemed more natural, for me.

Thirdly I found the image out to 200 yards way clearer than what I'd experienced previously. At 11.2 mag on the DS35 I found Charlie to be way more shootable than at 13 mag on the 008. I felt way more confident, but perhaps that just me.

Lastly, the LRF button is way easier to find than on the previous model. No switching the IR or Laser on by mistake. Call me lazy but I like to have the knowledge the range I'm shooting at at night, over a large flat field it's difficult for me to estimate.

Other than the above there's the obvious fact it's mounted like a traditional scope which filled me with way more confidence than the previous mounting. Also the star track enterprise set up of the IR and LRF. Although it doesn't look amazing, it's way easier on the eye in person and is WAY easier on the eye than an 008 with a fat IR on the side!!! I did think it might catch on my jacket but alas it hasn't yet. Stuff like WIFI and ballistic calculators are a novelty for me and really is of no consequence to how I use the unit. Look elsewhere for opinions on these!

I've shot 4 foxes in 2 outings with this scope now, so these are only my initial thoughts, but as someone who uses this type of kit regularly I thought I may be able to share something of some use to others... In summary, it's a functional, easy to use scope that requires no additional IR at all. I have no idea how it performs vs the Alpex or C50 for foxing, never used them, Bruce is way more qualified anyway. Its an upgrade on my 008 for sure. What I can say is I don't need any more image quality at all, and as a tool it seems to work very well indeed for me.

Very happy with my purchase, thanks Ian!

P.S. Anyone looking for an 008 LRF and Irlightbuilds Sirius XLT, I may have some up for sale....
 
Got out to play with my new Pard DS35 this afternoon. Was going to sit in a high seat and fiddle with the controls and find out how to really work it.
Got to the ground at ten to three. (Allowed to shoot muntjac only on this ground - Small privately owned nature reserve. Started to walk to the seat. After 100 yards, saw one munty doe being pursued by one munty buck.
Before I could get the rifle on the sticks they had vanished through the hedge.
Decided to stand for a while in case they came back.
Two more bucks appeared - Also trailing the doe - Shot both of them - gralloched and went home.
Will play with the Pard on another day...
 
Got out to play with my new Pard DS35 this afternoon. Was going to sit in a high seat and fiddle with the controls and find out how to really work it.
Got to the ground at ten to three. (Allowed to shoot muntjac only on this ground - Small privately owned nature reserve. Started to walk to the seat. After 100 yards, saw one munty doe being pursued by one munty buck.
Before I could get the rifle on the sticks they had vanished through the hedge.
Decided to stand for a while in case they came back.
Two more bucks appeared - Also trailing the doe - Shot both of them - gralloched and went home.
Will play with the Pard on another day...
Oh it works then !!
 
Oh it works then !!
Hello Merlyn, well done, quite a good day by the sounds. When you finally get to play with your Pard, my experience of them is varied, yes a great piece of equipment, but you must keep checking for tightness also zeroing in, after a while it became a chore, checking em rechecking. It might go well for awhile then its a regular thing. I couldnt 100% trust it all the time.. Maybe a bad batch, but it had to go in the end.. To be honest it was a relief... I wish you much success with yours, for the money you can do better (just my opinion)
 
Hello Merlyn, well done, quite a good day by the sounds. When you finally get to play with your Pard, my experience of them is varied, yes a great piece of equipment, but you must keep checking for tightness also zeroing in, after a while it became a chore, checking em rechecking. It might go well for awhile then its a regular thing. I couldnt 100% trust it all the time.. Maybe a bad batch, but it had to go in the end.. To be honest it was a relief... I wish you much success with yours, for the money you can do better (just my opinion)
Are you referring to the DS35 70 Merlyn has bought, or the 008?
 
Hi ElMajerero
what was the problem with the oo8 the mounts or the zero shifting please and would you know if these problems have been rectified with newer versions
cheers

phil
Never had a zero loss with the Pard 008P on my .222 until one day at the range it completely lost zero, quick check showed rear mount bolt had come very slightly loose - 30 secs and two shots sorted it. Simples.
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Hi ElMajerero
what was the problem with the oo8 the mounts or the zero shifting please and would you know if these problems have been rectified with newer versions
cheers

phil
I was abroard boar shooting the first few times as a temp repair used locktite then once back in England I had a new mounts made c/w bolts n fittings no more trouble with that. Next problem it kept loosing zero, sent away to get it fixed in the end. After a while it did it again. Sent away again, eventually told something inside couldn't be fixed economically. So I scrapped it I think it was only 7 or 8 years old. Enquired about this warranty exchange deal. But no joy cant remember what or why but had messed about long enough...Still got the 308 it was on.. Good luck with yours, once things start playing up the enjoyment becomes a bore it has to go. Thats me anyway right or wrong.
 
I was abroard boar shooting the first few times as a temp repair used locktite then once back in England I had a new mounts made c/w bolts n fittings no more trouble with that. Next problem it kept loosing zero, sent away to get it fixed in the end. After a while it did it again. Sent away again, eventually told something inside couldn't be fixed economically. So I scrapped it I think it was only 7 or 8 years old. Enquired about this warranty exchange deal. But no joy cant remember what or why but had messed about long enough...Still got the 308 it was on.. Good luck with yours, once things start playing up the enjoyment becomes a bore it has to go. Thats me anyway right or wrong.
So no I dont know if it was me or the model, havent brought that make since so I cant say if they have done any mods or not.. Sorry not very helpful.
 
I was abroard boar shooting the first few times as a temp repair used locktite then once back in England I had a new mounts made c/w bolts n fittings no more trouble with that. Next problem it kept loosing zero, sent away to get it fixed in the end. After a while it did it again. Sent away again, eventually told something inside couldn't be fixed economically. So I scrapped it I think it was only 7 or 8 years old. Enquired about this warranty exchange deal. But no joy cant remember what or why but had messed about long enough...Still got the 308 it was on.. Good luck with yours, once things start playing up the enjoyment becomes a bore it has to go. Thats me anyway right or wrong.
7 or 8 years? The 008 only landed in 2019.
 
7 or 8 years? The 008 only landed in 2019.
Well not sure but it seems longer ago than that.. Trying to remember where n when. Maybe confusing with a previous one but it was on the 308... It went back to the NGC in Northampton before they moved to present premises thats what Im going by.. years ago.
 
Well not sure but it seems longer ago than that.. Trying to remember where n when. Maybe confusing with a previous one but it was on the 308... It went back to the NGC in Northampton before they moved to present premises thats what Im going by.. years ago.
Anyway they wouldnt stand by any warranty so to anyone it was scrap not worth stripping out again n resealing or whatever they did...
 
Hmmmm. So by the dates it seems it couldn’t have been a Pard 008P?
In their defence I am a big fan of both the 007 and 008 - they have transformed my fox control efforts and more recently coupled with an Axion thermal spotter night has really pretty much been turned into day for me.
Sooo - I wonder if, like myself, the tomtoms beating about potentially snapping the Pard’s two mounting bolts through over-tightening and thus simply not tightening them enough have anything to do with the reported loss of zero (including my own as posted above)? Or is there a real issue about loss of zero?
Just curious as in my case in a year of constant use one bolt only loosened after a heavy day at the range which I imagine would not be typical for this system ?
What are other users’ experiences?
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Hmmmm. So by the dates it seems it couldn’t have been a Pard 008P?
In their defence I am a big fan of both the 007 and 008 - they have transformed my fox control efforts and more recently coupled with an Axion thermal spotter night has really pretty much been turned into day for me.
Sooo - I wonder if, like myself, the tomtoms beating about potentially snapping the Pard’s two mounting bolts through over-tightening and thus simply not tightening them enough have anything to do with the reported loss of zero (including my own as posted above)? Or is there a real issue about loss of zero?
Just curious as in my case in a year of constant use one bolt only loosened after a heavy day at the range which I imagine would not be typical for this system ?
What are other users’ experiences?
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Good morning young fella, well now my son who knows things his v old father forgets or chooses to, Suggests that on both counts you could be right. In as much is wasnt an 008 at all but the predecessor he says I gave an 008 after Id finished with it and it was okay but had the same rail problem. Also suggesting that my big hands which match my 6ft 5in frame are not made for tightening no more than typing, not tiny nuts screws n bolts especially named Allen. He does however a regular re zero wasnt uncommon. Hence the over tightening with these big hands... Ah but with a gentle but firm trigger finger even now. Pressure not force I reco n. His report on the subject matter is good piece of kit 'if' treated with respect especially with anything made in China.... SGC were the go to suppliers then apparently.
E. M.
 
Good morning young fella, well now my son who knows things his v old father forgets or chooses to, Suggests that on both counts you could be right. In as much is wasnt an 008 at all but the predecessor he says I gave an 008 after Id finished with it and it was okay but had the same rail problem. Also suggesting that my big hands which match my 6ft 5in frame are not made for tightening no more than typing, not tiny nuts screws n bolts especially named Allen. He does however a regular re zero wasnt uncommon. Hence the over tightening with these big hands... Ah but with a gentle but firm trigger finger even now. Pressure not force I reco n. His report on the subject matter is good piece of kit 'if' treated with respect especially with anything made in China.... SGC were the go to suppliers then apparently.
E. M.
Good morning EM.
Such confusion is perfectly normal for our your age so don’t worry, soon you will have forgotten who you were the whole thing!
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PS
Shot a fox Thursday in full darkness just before dawn with the 008P and Add-on at 302 yards in precisely the same field as I shot one a few weeks ago at 317 yds (I think) - in broad daylight that time. I was on the hill at the top of the picture again. Lovely animal - should have had it mounted - what’s not to love?5B2E4C5A-1F75-4AEA-ACB7-749306329424.webp
 
Good morning EM.
Such confusion is perfectly normal for our your age so don’t worry, soon you will have forgotten who you were the whole thing!
🦊🦊
PS
Shot a fox Thursday in full darkness just before dawn with the 008P and Add-on at 302 yards in precisely the same field as I shot one a few weeks ago at 317 yds (I think) - in broad daylight that time. I was on the hill at the top of the picture again. Lovely animal - should have had it mounted - what’s not to love?View attachment 287192
Yes what a beautifull spreciman markings colourings and size, very mountable( not like it sounds but!) our charleys in this area are very red I notice, as other area's differ like yours. Hey and what healthy looking grass did you check the sugar content. Must say great looking countryside perfect for needs of wildlife habitate for all. Hereabouts Im afraid just prairies for the cereal production although we have been planting whips for woodlands totaling about 200 acres in parts n patches from many years ago which now we see the benefits also double n triple hedges for our livestock but again large open fields a few wide ish dykes a large lake a few flight ponds which Ive dug out on my return. But your paddocks of shrubs n kettle perfect for the use..
E. M
 
Aye a beauty indeed - a white tip would have made it a no brainer.
Great to read of the improvements for nature and shooting - long may your efforts continue - a lovely legacy for all.
Conversely all small fields over here - going back to the 1600s when subsistence tenants had an acre or two from the Plantation Period (English/Scottish) Conquerors Landlords. As a result most of the farms over here are a hotchpotch of fields acquired over generations and often not even adjoining fields - a large farm would be 100 acres - probably one prairie over your side! So many farms are not really big enough to sustain a farmer and his family - hence many farmers have other full-time jobs or don’t even live on the ground - a real nuisance when trying to seek a permission!
Plenty of good grazing for cattle and sheep so for any of my farmers lambing time is a busy foxing time for me - thank heavens! What you can’t see in the pic is the little tree-shrouded glen between the hills and the fox - a perfect motorway for foxes and I have seen Polecats in it on occasion too - 7 miles from Belfast City Hall! Perhaps the attached Google Earth picture is worth a thousand words, the glen is in the top lhs and by way of illustrating farm sizes here as can be seen these two farms are next to each other.
Regards.
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