snowstorm is right on that. it maybe that the stalking rights are further sublet. ie you have the land owner who leases the land to a farmer, the sporting rights may or may not be in that and the sporting tennant may or may not be able to sublet the stalking.
Hi folks, I have another question on this topic, if I may..
How should written permission be presented? What does it need to say, do you need grid refs for the land and description or can it just say any land owned by xxxx? How does the proximity of house affect permission validity, is it acceptable to shoot part of a field where it is safe to do so but not another part because its close to houses, would permission be denied over all of the land because of this?
Presented to whom? Insurers, police ..... If this is the land you will be shooting over and it is an intial application for an FAC the FLO will need to approve the land for your calibre. Mark the area on a map and send it in with a letter from the owner or whoever owns the rights AND can grant permission. It may have already been cleared, or it may have restrictions e.g you can't shoot east to west because of a footpath, or whatever. If you already have a ticket but are adding new land the same thing pretty much applies; unless you have an open ticket, when as RF says, it really doesn't matter.
Thing is, different forces can do things differently. I would suggest you talk to your FLO, and get their thoughts as they will be the ones making the decisions - not us! If they come back with a view or decision that you think is unreasonable then you should post it on here and sit back and enjoy all the moaning, whinging and hard luck stories about FLOs and their ancestry that will inevitably follow!
As far as "permission" is defined it is from the person who not only must have the "sporting rights" but also the right to assign them to any other. However it is often the case that there may be a retention by the landowner for "sporting rights" to him or her in person or to his or her family or friends IN ADDITION to that grant to another.
Thus when I owned a pond my lease assigned the "fishing rights" to a fishing club for the coarse fish (but in that lease allowed myself the retention of two rods as in two fishermen) to be retained. But the remaining "sporting rights" and the SHOOTING RIGHTS were fully retained by me.
Also, I think, the Ground Game Act is relevant in the case of rabbits in that notwithstanding who has or does not have the "sporting rights" an occupier (and a defined class of person authorised by that occupier) is entitled to kill rabbits in certain circumstance.
In relation to the form it takes keep it simple. A note saying that "Mr J Smith has permission to shoot over the land known as Jones' Farm" is more that sufficient.
Or Jones may add "for deer" or "for foxes" or "for any quarry as her sees fit with shot gun or rifle".
If you have an Open Licence that is all that is needed. If the FEO needs more - it may be that Jones' Farm is well known to him or if in another police force area well known to them - he or she will ask.
where can I down load a generic form that I can just fill in, the blancks , have sighned and send in to the police dep. ??
there must be one some where shurly, or could we put one together on this forum ?? who is a leagal bof??
then I was also thinking .. OK stop lafing I do try to have a little insperation on ocasion..
how about a letter that , or flyer I can drop off at potential land owners/ farmers..
some thing like :
sir maddam , I would ask if you grasoiusly take the time to look at my request ?
I would very much like to Hunt dear/ rabit / what ever , and as I live in the area who would I have to contact to gaine permition for the ocasional use of the wood/forist/ hill/ open land. near you aboude?
This is the text of my permission letter. The leaseholder conferred with the landowner & gained his OK for me to shoot. A copy of the letter was forwarded to Thames Valley Police Firearms Department so its on record.
Grant of Permission to Shoot Deer & Vermin
This is to confirm that:
Mr. INSERT NAME OF SHOOTER (of)
INSERT ADDRESS OF SHOOTER
Has in the form of this written notice, duly signed & authorised by me, been granted permission to shoot Deer & Vermin on land situated at:
INSERT ADDRESS OR LOCATION OF LAND
Using Centre Fire Rifle, Rimfire Rifle & Shotgun.
INSERT NAME OF LANDOWNER OR LEASEHOLDER (of)
INSERT ADDRESS OF LANDOWNER OR LEASEHOLDER
Being the rightful and legal leaseholder/landowner (delete as appropriate) of the above-mentioned land.
I understand that INSERT NAME OF SHOOTER, when on the land, will adhere to any rules or restrictions given by me, the leaseholder/landowner (delete as appropriate) mentioned above.
Verbal permission, is no permission at all, in the event of an accident of any sort, either to life or property, your insurance provider (if you have one), may find difficulty supporting you in the event of any action taken against you.
What actually happens if you have written permision, do they go and see the person, do they ring, how deep is the interogation?
Just asking as one of the people I have asked for permission wants to know.