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I live near a small market town in rural north lincolnshire. There are currently three trends.
1 a gang of toe rags stop someone who is innocently driving down the road, drag them from thier car, give them a good kicking then steal the car.

2 a gang comes round to your house, kicks the door in then gives everyone inside a good kicking before stealing your stuff.

3 a gang waits about near a pub. some ordinary bloke comes out after a few beers and the gang give him a good kicking.

We see on the TV that these scrotes are doing this all over the country. Yet liberty and other bleeding heart liberals are busy saying that we shouldn't have mosquitoes (noise emitting machines that irratate youths) where they gather. The government are making it nearly impossible for the police to put someone in prison. Where was the home secratary and the dudes from Liberty when that poor bloke was getting kicked to death becuase he didn't want kids wrecking his wifes car?

if we were allowed i would arm myself and my wife with pistols, Would you?

Maybe if the toe rags thought "if i open this car door and tried to beat up the guy inside he might shoot me dead" they would not bother. Some might say they would arm them selves..... they already do, there are loads of illegal pistols on the streets.


(after a **** day at work looking at the havoc that these bastartds are raining down on decent people)


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Bit of a difficult question to answer Swampy, seeing as you are a police officer ;)

But I entirely agree with you. BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY :D

That would make some of these arseholes think twice. But of course they are all in gangs, one on one and they would **** their trousers. Big men in gangs, on their own chicken ****.

If I had to I would use any means at my disposal to protect my family, and would bare the consiquences afterwards, as I think most men on here would.

What a pity its not like the States, where you have the right to protect your family and property. And like they say, if he's in your garden SHOOT THE BASTARD AND DRAG HIM INDOORS

My guns are for stalking and deer management, and I would not use them for any other purpose. In the UK you do not need a FA Licence anymore ;) Just pay a visit to your local eastern block gun dealer in the pub, evidently you can get one for about £100, or so the newspapers tell us. Thats a lot less than I paid for my revolver, which is restricted to 2 shots :cry:


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Christ mate it must have been a bad day at work, though it has to be said you do have a point, our hands are so tied we have no right to personal protection or proper protection of our loved ones, my old dad has always said bring back the birch and public flogging then these morons would probably/hopefully think twice about inflicting any kind of suffering on anyone.


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Hi Swampy,
I have to say i find the whole idea of arming my wife with a pistol for self defence quite a disturbing one.
She would never hit anything, it would be better if she had some sort of 10 bore sawn off, i would imagine that would be usefull for dispersing crowds. i think i've seen a short barreled pump action, marketed in south Africa, for self defence it had 2 magazines (looked like a side by side)along the top these allowed the user to select from either Mag as required presumably No 3 for violent criminals or perhaps an 8 for less threataning asailants.
Seriously, i symapathise totally. I take my hat off to anyone who can persue a career that puts them into contact with the dregs of society on a daily basis without allowing it to become personal.


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my prefered weapon is my 5 shot semi auto loaded with spsg's shouldn't get a runner with these :lol:
and i hav use of a track machine which i know how to use ,
sorry swampy no need for you boys ,not sure i would drag him indoors though, as that may get blood on the carpet ,bugger to clean that ;)

not that long ago ( last summer) my uncle was attacked on the street by 2 scrots that tried to knife him , they live 10 doors away and high on heroin, all the the police were concerned in as my uncle is a registered firearms holder was to take his guns off him incase he retaliated using one of them
as this was greater manchester , the firearms boy were called to deal with it, with chopper above, my uncle even though he reported the incident and witnesses pointed out these scrots no one has been brought to justice the police just said they are keeping an eye on the situation ,not sure how that helps the local community
but damn if that had been any of us we would lose our licenseses in a flash and in front of the judge facing a fine and possible prison sentence,
good for you swampy this is proper way to enforce the law, thugs and scrots etc shoulld not be allowed to terrorise and get away with it
rant over


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Funilly enough, i was talking to a freind of mine that now lives in Housten she is taking a handgun self defence course because of a series of violent rapes in her neighberhood, she tells me that some states actually ofer a reward to anyone that shoots an intruder in there home.
I would leave the door open!
Swampy have you considered running for parliment?


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Christ could you imagine that, the labour party offering a reward for taking out any one that breaks into your home. With the way things are going, it would bankrupt the government in 6 months, paying out for all the claims :eek:

I know the Police have a tough job, which is hampered by masses of paperwork and stupid rules from central government. But hats off to people like Swampy, its a tough job, that at times I have no doubt can be frustrating when these scum get away with it on a technicality.


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Will anything REALLY happen though??

it wont be long before one of these scrotums gets hold of a centre fire rifle and pops someone with it, then i bet you the only thing the government will try and do is ban them, then obvioulsy there wont be a problem!!

Does anyone know if gun crime has gone down since banning handguns?

I want to know what it's going to take before the government take serious action against violent crime and thugs, i wonder if that poor chap who got kicked to death was an MP or a senior police officer, or celebrity, do you think that would stimulate Brown into doing something slighlty more positive?????

I agree with a previous post, i'd defend my home and family at any means regardless of consequences!

I need to go and hammer something now - got my blood boiling!!!!

end of rant

Mr Fish :evil: :evil: :evil:


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Gun crime has always been fairly constant in the UK and I believe there was a slight increase in the amount of killings AFTER the ban, which is widely acknowledged to have been an over-reaction. Still who wants to be the policitcal party to 'put guns on the streets'!

If allowed, I would definitely own a handgun, not only for target practice and humane killing but for also for home protection.

The expression 'I would rather be judged by twelve than carried by six' comes to mind...

paul k

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MR FISH said:
Does anyone know if gun crime has gone down since banning handguns?

As far as I know gun crime has increased substantially but you have to be careful as offences with an air rifle count as gun crime. What is for sure is that the 2% of gun crime that was committed with properly licenced weapons has reduced and the 98% of crime which the hand gun laws were never going to affect has not changed or increased.

I wonder if that poor chap who got kicked to death was an MP or a senior police officer, or celebrity, do you think that would stimulate Brown into doing something slighlty more positive?????

If it had happened to someone from an ethnic minority and the attackers were white kids, I'm pretty sure something more would have resulted. Sad isn't it.

I'm not sure that I would advocate using a weapon in any situation other than a legal one and I would not want the US situation where everyone "tools up" and guns are used as a matter of course. I would however be very pleased to see the death penalty bought back for the most violent murders and for the others life should mean life.

However, if my house as burgled and I felt that my life or thast of my family was in danger I would hesitate to use any weapon that I had to hand.

Sadly I fear it would not be possible to open my gun cabinet, open the ammo compartment and then get the bolt from the other secure location, put them all together and then shoot the buggers. It might have to be a baseball bat!


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Malc said:

That would make some of these arseholes think twice

Trouble is, they don't think...they're thick as shite or are smashed off their faces. Mind you, I agree with you. For arseholes like the one on the news last night who did god knows what to his baby, but that's another story.

My solution...three foot piece of alkathene pipe...you can make a Friesian bull think twice with one of those!


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I used to carry a Browning 9mm on active servive in Northern Ireland when I was in civvies and a SA80 on uniformed duty. It certainly gave me the confidence to my job and know that the playing field was at least a little better balanced.

All I see on the streets of Britain now is ordinary law abidding people too scared to lift their eyes. Eyes to the ground like sheep as the wolves sneer at them. I've been assaulted twice and being a big bloke they made sure that they had the odds on their side on both occasions. I survived but the experience has left me jaded.
To think that we are putting some of our finest young people on the front lines in Iraq and Afganistan and they are under terrible pressure and when they come back they get very little help or pension. We can however throw money at little 'Yobbos' and say 'its not their fault, the system has let them down'! :evil:

I'm in favour of a cull of the dregs of society. Our soldiers and the police should be brought in to sort them out once and for all instead of being used to control the worlds oil for Mr Bush.

'Big stick little carrot'!


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I am retired from the job and know just how you feel. I am sick and tired of telling anyone who will listen, that current legislation is not up to the job. Where is the sense in in our Government, who have no clue as to how life is in the real world, passing more and more laws that are aimed at the law abiding members of society. Where, oh where is the sense in having more and more civilised laws when the brainless scrotes out there are becoming more and more uncivilised. If the silly bastards want to run around and live their lives like some cowboys of bygone days, then lets provide a sheriff with the same old fashioned way of dealing with it, but with modern weapons.

That poor widow who has been appearing on TV following the conviction of the killers of her husband, has as I understand it more or less called for a return of capital punishment, well done her. If a poll was conducted today the vast majority of the public would support her call. The bloody Government should wake up, grow some balls, realise that they cannot please all the people all the time, but, they can please most of the people and the rest will just have to conform.

I read something yesterday that is attributed to the Australian PM, I shall dig it out and post it.



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Good call JayB, What we need is some DCI Gene Hunts to sort out the problem! I've just watched the new series 'Ashes to ashes' I laughed my head off!
In my home town as a child you could count the amount of murders over the last hundred years on one hand. Now they don't bother reporting murders in surrounding areas as there are too many just in the city alone!
If I had a hand gun, I'd most likely go for a pair of Colt 'Navy' revolvers strapped across my spiderman pyjamas on bandeliers like a mexican! :lol: If I was wearing my smoking jacket I'd have a Webley service revolver holstered to a Sam Brown style webbing and sit out on the lawn smoking a cherout, sipping a chotta peg. I'd then shoot the Burberry clad yahoos as they clambered over the ferret pen! :D


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During uni to pay the bills I worked on the doors for around 4 years in a variety of pubs and clubs, over this time I became well aquainted with the scum that is on the streets. I have been assaulted in every way possible I am sad to say, but that goes with the job I suppose.

I was fixed on going into the police force until the last year or so then I saw the predicament that our police force are in, hands well and truly tied having to deal with the increasing violence. Who wants to stay 3 hours after your shift has ended filling in paperwork only to see the little bugger walk out scot free! This put me off joining I am afraid. I have huge respect for our resident officer and sympathise with his sentiments totally.

Having dealt with the worst of society I can assure you that if someone crept into my house at night I would use any/every means at my disposal to get them out.


Offroad Gary

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an old boy that i worked with during my apprenticeship kept a garden fork behind his bedroom door, just in case!!!


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Hi Bucksden,
I do the same to prevent frost damage on my Christmas new potatoes! :lol: Makes a mess of the carpet though. :eek:


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I wouldn`t think twice about getting anyone of my guns out if i or my family felt threatened by some of these little shites. In fact it would be worth it to see the look on their scabby spotted scrunched up faces when i asked them what they were gonna do now, now that they were looking down the barrel of a shotgun. I think it would be brilliant to just kneecap a couple and watch them beg for mercy. :lol:
Gosh, calm dowm wadashot, ya getting all worked up now. :mad:
But seriously, everyday we have to listen to the news about another gang who have killed someone for daring to ask for their ball back, and everyday we hear the liberal left wingers wingeing on that these kids have nowt to do.
Just please, bring back the death penalty or at least put them in the army.
Sorry if this repeats what anyone else has said but i have been away and only just catching up. :rolleyes:

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