Pricing a rifle?

[FrenchieBoy]

I am about to put my .243 on the market to be replaced by a Parker-Enfield .303, in fact I have a buyer lined up already - he has already handled and fired the rifle and knows exactly how accurate it is. My problem is how do I price the .243 up fairly? Maybe if I describe it (As accurately as I possibly can) some members could give me an idea.
The rifle is a Parker Hale P14, an oldish rifle admittedly but it has had quite a lot of work done on it by a professional gunsmith. It has had a new Satin Steel (Sporter) barrel fitted which has only seen about 500 shots through it from being fitted as a brand new barrel - The barrel was "run in" very carefully by me and cleaned regularly and it shoots sub 1" groups all day long without any real effort using either 58g V-Max or 70G Nosler ammunition, it will also comfortably fire Partizan 90g into about 25-30mm groups so can be fed quite cheaply if you don't want to home load for it!
The rifle has been professionally glass bedded and the trigger has been "worked on" (By the gunsmith) to give it a nice crisp but fairly light action with no creep. This barrel has been professionally screw cut and comes complete with a custom built sound moderator and is fitted with a new (About 3 months old) set of Simmons Atec scopes with a removable sunshade. The rifle will also come with a Lee Reloader kit and about 100 rounds of ammunition and any test would be welcomed.
The woodwork is solid and "cared for" but I have to say that there are a few marks on it mainly on the forend where the bipod has been fitted - You have to remember that this is a workhorse so not in as new condition, but I would hope that I can price it accordingly.
All in all this is a complete package that is ready to go out and work for it's living but a bipod and sling is not included. I was hoping to ask around £425 for the complete package. Do you think that this is a reasonable sounding price for this package please? I have tried to describe it as accurately as possible so as not to misslead anyone.

Edit: I forgot to say that included in this "package" is a Flambeau Solid Rifle Security/Carrying Case!

 

[8x57]

Can you post some photographs please Frenchie as without these anything would be a wild guess at best. No disrespects but you could be describing a gem of a rifle or an absolute dog with a newish barrel.

 

[FrenchieBoy]

Can you post some photographs please Frenchie as without these anything would be a wild guess at best. No disrespects but you could be describing a gem of a rifle or an absolute dog with a newish barrel.

I completely agree with you 8X57 mate and that is why I had already got my stuff together to go out and do a video (Including close ups of the marks on the woodwork) of the rifle and to show how it looks and how accurately it shoots (As long as I can shoot straight).

 

[Brithunter]

A photo of the rifle would help a lot here. P-H used more than one stock style but most were target types on the converted P-14/17 rifles they did .............................................. at least according to my catalogues.

Was the rifle marked Parker-Hale?

I ask simply because A.J. Parker were still offering these conversions up unto 1992 at least. Have their catalogue here with them listed dated Jan 92.

I would also guess that as it's using a rimless cartridge chances are they converted a US Rifle 1917 as they tend to be easier to get the feeding correct and of course the extractor is right. Using the P-14 requires more fiddling and a special longer clawed extractor for rimless cases.

Was a shame that A.J. Parkers kept so quiet about their sporting rifles on military actions as I would have bought one but I did not discover this until they had gone out of business. Another example of poor management.

Whoops back on track......................... the P-H converted P-14/17's don't seem to hold their value. BSA did a range of these from 1949-1953 and there are a few about. So I can appreciate your quandry here. Photos willl help no doubt.

 

[bewsher500]

Parker Hale P14, a new Satin Steel (Sporter) barrel fitted which has only seen about 500 shots
a custom built sound moderator and is fitted
a set of Simmons Pro-Hunter scopes. (set?)
a Lee Reloader kit and about 100 rounds of ammunition and any test would be welcomed.
a Flambeau Solid Rifle Security/Carrying Case!

all that for £425!?!?!?!?

mate you are giving that away
2nd hand parker hales with original barrels are being sold at £250-450 in gunshops all round the country
granted no-one in the right mind pays £450 for one but £300 is standard fare

yours has a new barrel
a new mod
a new scope
case
ammo

I would split the package or charge more personally

 

[Brithunter]

all that for £425!?!?!?!?

mate you are giving that away
2nd hand parker hales with original barrels are being sold at £250-450 in gunshops all round the country
granted no-one in the right mind pays £450 for one but £300 is standard fare

yours has a new barrel
a new mod
a new scope
case
ammo

I would split the package or charge more personally

Ahhh bewsher whilst I agree with your thoughts one has to remember that this is not one of P-H's usual models it's not a model 1000, 1100, 1200 of even a Midland so pricing is rather more tricky here.

 

[Tartan_Terrier]

Is this the scope? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-SIMMONS-Pro-Hunter-3-10x44-WA-Rifle-Zoom-Scope-Riflescope-Sight-/330746336912?pt=UK_SportingGoods_Hunting_ShootingSports_ET&hash=item4d02049690

 

[bewsher500]

Ahhh bewsher whilst I agree with your thoughts one has to remember that this is not one of P-H's usual models it's not a model 1000, 1100, 1200 of even a Midland so pricing is rather more tricky here.

granted but if you account the cost of the other bits he is pricing the rifle with a new barrel at less than £200

P14 with a new barrel - £###
a new mod - £100 minimum
a new scope - £50
Flight case - £50 minimum
100+ rounds of ammo - £50 nominal figure

 

[FrenchieBoy]

Is this the scope? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-SIMMONS-Pro-Hunter-3-10x44-WA-Rifle-Zoom-Scope-Riflescope-Sight-/330746336912?pt=UK_SportingGoods_Hunting_ShootingSports_ET&hash=item4d02049690

I have to make a correction here. The scope is mot the Pro-Hunter it is in fact the Simmons Atec complete with sunshade.

 

[FrenchieBoy]

Ok Guys, here's a short video which will hopefully show the condition of the rifle without the possibility of me rating it higher than it really is. Please watch and then form your own opinions.
Just hope the link works!

 

[8x57]

Frenchie you say satin steel barrel and moderator, you don't mean stainless steel do you? What make and model is the moderator?
The ammo that you are selling is factory ammo and not reloads isn't it? The Flambeau case I take to be a relatively cheap plastic case?

I see what you mean about it being a working rifle, the stock is a bit knocked about. You also mention movement in the bolt. this would be perfectly normal with a Mauser action.

 

[FrenchieBoy]

Frenchie you say satin steel barrel and moderator, you don't mean stainless steel do you? What make and model is the moderator?
The ammo that you are selling is factory ammo and not reloads isn't it? The Flambeau case I take to be a relatively cheap plastic case?

I see what you mean about it being a working rifle, the stock is a bit knocked about. You also mention movement in the bolt. this would be perfectly normal with a Mauser action.

In answer to your questions:
The barrel was described as Satin Steel as that is how it was described when I bought the rifle. I personally would have said Stainless Steel but I am happy to go by how it was originally described.
The moderator is a custom made moderator and as such does not have a make or model related to or stamped on it.
The ammunition will not be included as such in the sale but as it is home loaded specifically for this rifle it will be given as a "Good will gift/goodwill gesture" to the purchaser - I am well aware that it is illegal to sell home loaded ammunition but it is OK to give it as a gift as long as you specify this to whoever you give it to.
The bolt does have a minimal amount of play in it and I am aware that this is common and acceptable with a Mauser Action. I only mentioned it so as not to be thought of as hiding anything or pulling the wool over anyones eyes!
The Flambeau case is one of the plastic ones with locking holes in it near the carrying handle and yes it is only a "relatively cheap one" but when added into the deal makes for a more complete outfit!
I have tried to be as honest as possible which is why I did specify that the woodwork is not perfect and that it is a "Work Horse" of a rifle. To me the idea of having a rifle is to have something that gets used and shoots straight, not something that you would hang on your wall to keep in prestine condition just for visitors to look at and admire.
All in all, I believe that the price that I originally suggested is reasonable for this complete outfit but I would still welcome others opinions so as not to rip off a friend who is interested in buying it. I like to think that I am an honest and fair man to deal with.

 

[8x57]

Frenchie you honesty is apparent and also the fact that you want to set a fair price so as not to take advantage of a friend. I like the rifle as it obviously has some quality and character about it but in all honesty I would suggest that the value would be slightly less than you thought but there again I may well be wrong it is after all only my opinion. Have you tried a valuation by someone in the trade, some dealer that you trust?

 

[Brithunter]

OK Watched a bit of the video and as far as I could see there is nothing to associate this rifle with Parker-Hale. It's a product of the British GUn Trage I have no qualms about that as the style is right for the Inter wars years.

P-14 is a Rifle of Pattern 1914 later known as the No3 rifle.

It has the dog leg bolt handle of the P-14/P17 rifle. The Pattern 1917 was made in America as were most of the P-14's to arm the American forces for their foray into Europe for WW1. The three arms factories that produced the P-14 in America had finished their contracts so had them idle when America finally decided to get involved and she didn't have nor could she produce the Springfield 1903 fast enough so these three factories were set to making the modified pattern 14 to use the US 30-06 cartridge and as adopted in 1917 it became the US rifle Model 1917.

The Simmons scope is not a deal breaker but it's not a deal maker either IMHO.

Now I know that it was re-barrelled not so long ago, pity as before then it had some collectable status even without an P-H markings, I would like to say it' worth more but in todays depressed market I really have no idea of what it should fetch............................................... sorry .