Rates of pay

cookingfat

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I do a power point presentation and practical field work with the students from Sparsholt collage most years and never even think about charging, one year even went up to the west Highlands to do some work with the students up there and on that occasion UKDTR paid for my travel expenses,
Always nice to give a little back
 

foxdropper

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The rate is £15 an hour which to a builder in today’s climate is a third of what I earn usually which is why I was asking really .
It’s not about the money just didn’t want to be mugged off .
The larder needs repair ,fences a bit shabby ,deer leap too high and they now want a deer squeeze if anyone can help with plans .High seats overgrown and poorly sited and the deer handling system unfinished .
They are putting me through the Dsc 1 which I’m thrilled about ,along with year 2 students .
 

jimbo1984

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The rate is £15 an hour which to a builder in today’s climate is a third of what I earn usually which is why I was asking really .
It’s not about the money just didn’t want to be mugged off .
The larder needs repair ,fences a bit shabby ,deer leap too high and they now want a deer squeeze if anyone can help with plans .High seats overgrown and poorly sited and the deer handling system unfinished .
They are putting me through the Dsc 1 which I’m thrilled about ,along with year 2 students .
You’ll be a real deer manager soon mate :tiphat: :tiphat: ;)
 

Apthorpe

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£15/ hour would possibly be one thing if it was a full time role, but it's not on for a half day rate on a self-employed basis. Surely they're trying it on? An accompanied stalk seems to average £25/hour for the time, and doesn't involve teaching to a group, nor really quite the same extent of extra work as you're being asked to do.
It's one thing (and an admirable one) providing free training / help to individuals, but one is not "giving back" by working for free for an organisation, company or college. One is being exploited. You should be getting paid at a rate that the staff of that organisation would cost on the same basis. The other teachers and staff aren't doing it cut-price, and you have valuable expert knowledge and experience. Perhaps assign some value to the DSC1 course and see how it looks then, but I'd ensure that your agreement defines that you'd view the DSC as part-payment, so as not to set a precedent if you're asked in future years to do it again on the cheap.
 

Chasey

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15.00 per hour is their avg PAYE rate with a collage lecturer earning avg 28K a year so 120 a day

I struggle to get people to sweep the floor for that, and our "skilled man2 rates are 150-200 a day

When I ran my consultancy company I was (15 years ago) charging 350 a day for my expertise

I taught building pathology to classes of students, usualy 12 at a time and id charge 650 + expenses. Seeing as the main client was charging the students 250 a day, this was cheep

I still ocasionaly do expert witness work and again I now charge £650 a day with no reduced rate so a 15min court appearance is still 650. any one whos ever don expert witness work will understand why

So when considering what to charge? id looks at it like this

Prep time? How long will it take you to prepair the training

Expenses? How much will it cost you in terms of ay related issues like insurance materials travel @ 45p per mile, Per Diem etc

Follow up work? will you have to dispose of the gralloch for example?

charge all that at their 15 per hour +expenses and that will be your base line

Then look at the end figure and decide weather or not you want to do it for that, and put in what you do want
 

Free range rob

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Be careful,

I’ve a little experience of this type of thing with a college, it all sounds like a nice little casual chat, until you agree, then all the paperwork starts coming through, insurances, RA, method statements, certs, they generally end up wanting your backside nailed to a contract with every onus on you, for a pittance of pay, the extra hours you end up doing outside of the ‘guest speaker’ gets forgot, it sounds like they are already trying to get you onboard as teacher, handyman, deer manager, larder operative.........

I would stick with building if you reckon you can earn £360 per day !
 

Uncle f

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Also factor in you will need an up to date DBS check if you haven’t already got one. Cost is about £47.00 ish for an enhanced one (compulsory) when working in educational establishments in the Uk. However the only way out of doing one is if you are escorted at all times during you visit to campus/site. Although we are contractors to many schools and universities and they insist we have enhanced DBS even though we have no access to children or minors.
Children and minors are classed up to 18 years btw
 

foxdropper

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Be careful,

I’ve a little experience of this type of thing with a college, it all sounds like a nice little casual chat, until you agree, then all the paperwork starts coming through, insurances, RA, method statements, certs, they generally end up wanting your backside nailed to a contract with every onus on you, for a pittance of pay, the extra hours you end up doing outside of the ‘guest speaker’ gets forgot, it sounds like they are already trying to get you onboard as teacher, handyman, deer manager, larder operative.........

I would stick with building if you reckon you can earn £360 per day !
Taken on board mate .The method statements are in place I’m told and insurance too but I have my own insurance both building and shooting .
 

Sonicdmb73

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Taken on board mate .The method statements are in place I’m told and insurance too but I have my own insurance both building and shooting .
Does your shooting insurance cover commercial as opposed to pleasure?
I:E BASC standard cover is for your hobby not running a business.
 

sy247

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Sounds like a bit too much bother to me. My good lady works in further education. They've got as many staff as possible on zero hours contracts for next to nothing and seem to expect them to deliver courses which require real skill, dedication and commitment for essentially goodwill. No wonder education is in such a mess.
 

Free range rob

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Sounds like a bit too much bother to me. My good lady works in further education. They've got as many staff as possible on zero hours contracts for next to nothing and seem to expect them to deliver courses which require real skill, dedication and commitment for essentially goodwill. No wonder education is in such a mess.
And that’s pretty much my experience of them
 

sauer

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High seats, deer leaps, larder refurb


And that qualifies as “ guest speaker”?

Seriously ?

They are taking the pi55 !

Anything happens ..... it will all be on you and your ar5e hanging in the wind .....

Really worth the hassle ?

Helping is one thing.... getting pi55 ripped out of you is another....

Ask them in your professional capacity as a builder? What would it cost them ?

Paul
 

Alantoo

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Sounds,like I would be giving it a body swerve, more hassle than it would be worth, probably turn out to be a thankless task..
Financially unrewarded maybe...but I doubt the students would be ungrateful. I always got a real buzz from teaching, thanks to the positive feed back from the students.

Reliving my excitement at discovering stuff for the first time through their experience was a real boost to my enthusiasm.

Alan
 

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