Reasons/feeding ?

[Malxwal]

What is it that a roe might be eating that would render them in this state ? I've put the knife to three roe in this area over past couple years, all in this state, although this one also had a heavy tick burden (this could be attributable to the dense bracken where he normally lives.
The young keeper who is on part of my ground sent me the video, not my voice over. Not long after this , the buck was curled up on the track, and seen to have excessive salivation.

 

[willie_gunn]

With the three that you've gralloched, was there anything notable in terms of condition, lymph nodes, etc? Any obvious signs of trauma?

Also have you possibly seen this buck before, and was it acting the same way? Trying to ascertain if it's something permanent or temporary.

And not being funny, but are there any apples around there - just wondering if they've been eating some kind of fruit which has fermented?

 

[ashray]

probably too late in the year but i have roe that spent too long in rape field eating and they have gone blind or appear intoxicated and have no interest in humans at all they just stand still. this did not happen five years ago when farmers planted the untreated rape but now all the farmers seem to plant is the french treated 00 rape and it has no bitter taste to deter the roe.

 

[Freeforester]

Are you certain it's food related Malc? An inspection of any gut content might offer up clues, along with a consideration of the nearby terrain and potentially harmful foodsources within the likely territory.

He looks like he's been in a scrap also, which isn't unusual for theis time of year. Had a buck taken in the rut a couple year back with a torn eyelid, it was pretty healthy otherwise, but have had another one in the past with a broken antler tip embedded in the back of the skull 'Trotsky-style', and as Hugh Cornwall was wont to warble, might have 'made his ears burn'....

OTOH They're also a bit daft on the chanterelles and 'other'mushrooms right now, the latter type/s may be the source?

 

[Malxwal]

Well, I'm nae around to gralloch this lad, and I doubt the young keeper will have. Last one showed nothing of note, gut content a bit watery, back end a bit dirty, but nowt else.
One before that was done quick and never checked it, was due to fly later that day, so it was badger food.
No apples in the vicinity, lots of bracken, gorse and broom, no crop outwith barley, lots of grass.
Someone mentioned ragwort possibly toxic?
Can't think of anything else in the area that's outwith the norm.

 

[25 Sharps]

Well, I'm nae around to gralloch this lad, and I doubt the young keeper will have. Last one showed nothing of note, gut content a bit watery, back end a bit dirty, but nowt else.
One before that was done quick and never checked it, was due to fly later that day, so it was badger food.
No apples in the vicinity, lots of bracken, gorse and broom, no crop outwith barley, lots of grass.
Someone mentioned ragwort possibly toxic?
Can't think of anything else in the area that's outwith the norm.

No rape? As that will do this to them

 

[Malxwal]

No rape? As that will do this to them

No rape for many miles.

 

[deerstalker.308]

Have you had your rut already and he’s just totally knackered/rutted out?

 

[Malxwal]

Have you had your rut already and he’s just totally knackered/rutted out?

I honestly couldn't say, as I've been away the last four weeks. There was zero sign of activity prior, that buck was always just lying about or feeding in barley. Weather certainly wasn't conducive.
Rutter out and knackered, I'd expect them to be curled up out of sight, and I'd still not expect to be able to walk right up to it and put the knife to it.

 

[gixer1]

The mushy’s might be a good shout for this!

Tripping balls roe buck…

 

[Malxwal]

Wee bit early for them yet

 

[griff]

Adder Bite?

 

[Malxwal]

Adder Bite?

Never been known in the area, although it is very close to higher ground where they could be in theory.

 

[novice]

Appreciate it's a long way from the recognised outbreak, but in hindsight, what's the collective thoughts on this potentially being blue tongue?

From what I understand, it's more red deer that are susceptible rather than other species, but symptoms aren't a million miles out from what can be seen in deer.

 

[Spear Chucker]

Appreciate it's a long way from the recognised outbreak, but in hindsight, what's the collective thoughts on this potentially being blue tongue?

From what I understand, it's more red deer that are susceptible rather than other species, but symptoms aren't a million miles out from what can be seen in deer.

Seems similar to a film I have heard described (not seen) of a suspected blue tongue infection. The excess salivation makes me think this is possible as it is symptomatic of BT, although probably of a lot of other things too.

 

[Malxwal]

Well, carcass long since burned. I see the reds munching on Rowan berries, wonder if they could have a toxic effect on smaller deer ?

 

[VSS]

Acorn poisoning?

 

[Malxwal]

Acorn poisoning?

Is that a thing ?

 

[Spear Chucker]

Is that a thing ?

It kills cattle...

 

[VSS]

It kills cattle...

And sheep. And goats. And deer. And horses.