Reckless driving and licence revocation
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waterford103
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Quite possible, its at the Chief Constables discretion.
Reckless driving is generally a thing in the USA. In the UK there are tiers of driving offences. The lowest of these is driving without due consideration followed by driving without due care and attention. Basically these are offences that occur when you aren't driving to the standard required of a normal motorist and come to attention usually because of an accident or being witnessed by the police or others. I should think such offences will as a matter of procedure cause the police to consider your firearms/shotgun certificates but I would also think it not likely that they would be revoked.
Dangerous driving is defined in S2(A)(1) of the Road Traffic Act 1988. A person is guilty of dangerous driving if:
This is a much more serious offence and can involve disqualification, a big fine, having to take your test again after the disqualification is up and even imprisonment. Again, this will cause the police to look at your certificates and make a decision. Much will depend on the actual circumstances of any offence for which your friend may be convicted but it's a reasonable to think there's a greater chance of them being revoked.
Of course I'm generalising, but I should think that if it's the more serious offence, then your friend will have a solicitor and he may well want to consult him on this matter, or indeed consult BASC if a member.
Dangerous driving is defined in S2(A)(1) of the Road Traffic Act 1988. A person is guilty of dangerous driving if:
- the way he drives falls far below what would be expected of a competent and careful driver and
- it would be obvious to a competent and careful driver that driving in that way would be dangerous.
This is a much more serious offence and can involve disqualification, a big fine, having to take your test again after the disqualification is up and even imprisonment. Again, this will cause the police to look at your certificates and make a decision. Much will depend on the actual circumstances of any offence for which your friend may be convicted but it's a reasonable to think there's a greater chance of them being revoked.
Of course I'm generalising, but I should think that if it's the more serious offence, then your friend will have a solicitor and he may well want to consult him on this matter, or indeed consult BASC if a member.
varmint223
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If he's been convicted of dangerous driving do you think he should have a gun licence ??? I think not ! , if he can't control himself with a car then who knows what he'd be like with a rifle or shotgun ie taking unsafe shots .....or worse !
Chanty Wrassler
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Dangerous Driving (section 2, RTA 1988) has a mandatory minimum 12 months disqualification.
Uncle Norm
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Careless driving (driving without due care and attention etc.) covers a wide spectrum of acts, ranging from a simple misjudgement to more serious acts or omissions.
Unless the person is a persistent motoring offender or there are other aggravating factors, then a conviction for carless driving alone, is unlikely to attract a revocation.
It is a possibility that your friend may have his ticket revoked, given the current climate regarding behaviour and guns, that said, he should be entitled to a warning.....unless he has come to the attention of the police previously. I Northumbria area the FA dept are inviting Licence hoders to an interview prior making a final desciion before revoking, initially I was rather sceptical about this, but having been to these interviews with clients, I believe them to be a good idea, it allows the police to see and hear what the licence holder has to say, and their general attitude to guns etc.
With regard to getting advice from a Solicitor, your friend only needs advice if his licence is revoked, or in my view if he is invited to an interview by the Police if they are considering revocation. I you or he wants to to PM I shall be happy to assist. PS tell him to join BASC, BDS, or the NGO NOW!!!!!!!!!!
Good morning Uncle Norm, Iam afraid the Police are taking a harsher look at ticket holders these days, and everything is up for grabs when it comes to renewal, applications, variations etc. Even when you get stopped by the the Police and PNC'ed the FA Dept are notified, and your file updated. Police are now reviewing all licence holders and are revoking retrospectively for behaviour which includes domestic issues in years gone by.
In cases where a person who is a ticket holder and has been involved in County Court proceedings which allege, not even proven that the ticket holder has been violent, or threaten violence then, in some instances Judge hearing this case will alert th FA dept
In cases where a person who is a ticket holder and has been involved in County Court proceedings which allege, not even proven that the ticket holder has been violent, or threaten violence then, in some instances Judge hearing this case will alert th FA dept
waterford103
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Especially in Northumberland eh? Given the cock-up they made with a certain SGC holder , it looks as if they are going to be somewhat harsher in future.
tackb
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if you are genuinely concerned have you contacted the police with your concerns? do you have evidence or do you just not like him?
+1 on the above same with drink/ drug driving
8x57
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Patrickt I find the last sentence in post number 12 objectionable.
I have said it before and I shall continue to say so, don’t go running to BASC/NGO/BDS/NRA/SNGA etc. etc. when something goes wrong and your ticket is in danger and you couldn’t be bothered to join at least one of those organisations in the first place, because to do so is simply sponging off the existing members.
It may be very uncharitable of me but I am fed up with people wanting to join after the event. Fair dues to likes of David from BASC and his counterparts in the other organisations they try to help but really it’s not fair on the existing members who have paid their dues in many cases for over 25 years. If these people truly valued their sport they would either have joined previously or taken out some sort of legal insurance to cover such an eventuality.
It’s something that I personally find quite annoying. Nothing personal Patrick.
I have said it before and I shall continue to say so, don’t go running to BASC/NGO/BDS/NRA/SNGA etc. etc. when something goes wrong and your ticket is in danger and you couldn’t be bothered to join at least one of those organisations in the first place, because to do so is simply sponging off the existing members.
It may be very uncharitable of me but I am fed up with people wanting to join after the event. Fair dues to likes of David from BASC and his counterparts in the other organisations they try to help but really it’s not fair on the existing members who have paid their dues in many cases for over 25 years. If these people truly valued their sport they would either have joined previously or taken out some sort of legal insurance to cover such an eventuality.
It’s something that I personally find quite annoying. Nothing personal Patrick.
Malxwal
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It's not a personal thing, he's a likeable enough lad, just doesn't seem responsible enough to posses a firearm, and has demonstrated this to me in a couple of ways. I think you may be right as to talking to my FEO on the subject. The lad loves his shooting, but would benefit from formal training, but I don't think this would make up for a lack of common sense.
Malxwal
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He is a member of the BASC.
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