Registering as a food business

Leupsak

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update
Well I filled in the form and the EHO rang me for a chat and booked to visit me yesterday.............I then got this text

Hello *******. This is *********** from Environmental Health. Having discussed your operation I have been in touch with Trading Standards. I now believe you should be registered with TS, who should be in touch. I will therefore not be visiting today. Please call me if you wish to discuss further. Thank you ******.

o_O

Who of us is registered with Trading Standards? LOL :cuckoo:

At least I have a text proving I tried to abide by the rules!
 

foxdropper

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Some of you blokes seem to thrive on making your lives as fecking miserable and paper clogged as it gets .Thriving on oneupmanship .The law states and is very plain that traceability is all that is required to put fur into the food chain via an AGHE .Traceability in the form of an ID number through the various training courses .Some love to think they are better than others by creating and over thinking scenarios and is why the DSC came about in the first place .Thought up by overthinkers to try to distinguish people who have done a 3 day course lol.Bearocracy will feck this game out of the hands of everyday people if we keep giving in to more shite .
The registration your all quoting applies to those wishing to sell to the public ,catering and other business .Many documents can be applied to many scenarios if that’s what the reader requires but reality is thankfully, a lot more stress free .
 
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deerstalker.308

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Some of you blokes seem to thrive on making your lives as fecking miserable and paper clogged as it gets .Thriving on oneupmanship .The law states and is very plain that traceability is all that is required to put fur into the food chain via an AGHE .Traceability in the form of an ID number through the various training courses .Some love to think they are better than others by creating and over thinking scenarios and is why the DSC came about in the first place .Thought up by overthinkers to try to distinguish people who have done a 3 day course lol.Bearocracy will feck this game out of the hands of everyday people if we keep giving in to more shite .
The registration your all quoting applies to those wishing to sell to the public ,catering and other business .Many documents can be applied to many scenarios if that’s what the reader requires but reality is thankfully, a lot more stress free .
sorry, but that’s simply not correct. It’s clearly in black and white
 

foxdropper

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Show me where ,IN LAW ,it states what’s written here .What you are quoting is a directive not a law and unenforceable by law .Too many jump through hoops hoping it will get them a bit more stalking or kudos on here but in reality it only leads to more shite .Ask your HSE to show you the relevant law on the subject and he will quote you directives from local authority .Game dealers only have to see ID and a traceable means left on a carcass .As for trading standards lol
 
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foxdropper

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Also show me where all this supercedes the plain need for ID only at a dealers .ie show me the paperwork posted outside a game dealers to that effect .If it were law ,which it isn’t ,each dealer would need the verification before accepting carcasses .
 

Alantoo

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Show me where ,IN LAW ,it states what’s written here .What you are quoting is a directive not a law and unenforceable by law .Too many jump through hoops hoping it will get them a bit more stalking or kudos on here but in reality it only leads to more shite .Ask your HSE to show you the relevant law on the subject and he will quote you directives from local authority .Game dealers only have to see ID and a traceable means left on a carcass .As for trading standards lol
Also show me where all this supercedes the plain need for ID only at a dealers .ie show me the paperwork posted outside a game dealers to that effect .If it were law ,which it isn’t ,each dealer would need the verification before accepting carcasses .
https://www.food.gov.uk/sites/default/files/media/document/wild-game-guide.pdf

Have a look through and see if you can find any circumstance in there that allows you as a hunter to sell into the food chain and not be required to register as a food business with your local authority.

It is not a complicated definition. They repeat it a number of times. If you sell food you are a food business, and must register with your L.A. as such.

Alan
 

foxdropper

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You are missing the point mate .That is a guide ,a directive from local authority and not law as in law of the land to abide by or face the consequences .If we keep jumping through hoops the hoop will eventually get too small to jump through .
Do you also subscribe to some police forces requiring Dsc 1 before granting deer calibres or do think maybe the Cof P is overstepping the mark .Our Basc or suchlike will contend that in every case .Its a directive mate ,not a law .Again ,show me where this so called legislation supercedes the need for ID only .
 

deerstalker.308

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You are missing the point mate .That is a guide ,a directive from local authority and not law as in law of the land to abide by or face the consequences .If we keep jumping through hoops the hoop will eventually get too small to jump through .
Do you also subscribe to some police forces requiring Dsc 1 before granting deer calibres or do think maybe the Cof P is overstepping the mark .Our Basc or suchlike will contend that in every case .Its a directive mate ,not a law .Again ,show me where this so called legislation supercedes the need for ID only .
So do you for example put non recyclable rubbish in your recycling bin?
I only ask because I guess it’s not law, it’s enforced by your local authority, but I’m pretty sure if you do it routinely you’ll find there are consequences? The consequences of not registering are that in theory your game dealer should (not saying they will) require you to be registered, and therefor could refuse to take carcasses. If there was an issue with a consumer being affected by something and it was traced back I can guarantee it would result in a crack down of suppliers and you’d find yourself lacking. I have no idea what the consequences would be, personally I dont want to find out, so I’ll stick to the “rules” if you’d rather we call them that than law...
 

VSS

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Some of you blokes seem to thrive on making your lives as fecking miserable and paper clogged as it gets .Thriving on oneupmanship .The law states and is very plain that traceability is all that is required to put fur into the food chain via an AGHE .Traceability in the form of an ID number through the various training courses .Some love to think they are better than others by creating and over thinking scenarios and is why the DSC came about in the first place .Thought up by overthinkers to try to distinguish people who have done a 3 day course lol.Bearocracy will feck this game out of the hands of everyday people if we keep giving in to more shite .
The registration your all quoting applies to those wishing to sell to the public ,catering and other business .Many documents can be applied to many scenarios if that’s what the reader requires but reality is thankfully, a lot more stress free .
You're a bit out of date mate. The rules changed. There is no longer an exemption to registration that allows sale direct to an AGHE.
 

Alantoo

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You are missing the point mate .That is a guide ,a directive from local authority and not law as in law of the land to abide by or face the consequences .If we keep jumping through hoops the hoop will eventually get too small to jump through .
Do you also subscribe to some police forces requiring Dsc 1 before granting deer calibres or do think maybe the Cof P is overstepping the mark .Our Basc or suchlike will contend that in every case .Its a directive mate ,not a law .Again ,show me where this so called legislation supercedes the need for ID only .
I think not.

Maybe you should actually try reading it.

The document is from the FSA not LA. Don't be mislead by the word "Guide" in the title. It is the FSA guide to, and references, the current legislation and requirements.

  1. The requirements intended to assure the safety of wild game supplied for human consumption in the UK, the EU or elsewhere are set out inRegulation (EC) 852/2004 and Regulation (EC) 853/2004 (the EU Food Hygiene Regulations).
Legal Status of Guidance
11. This guidance has been produced to explain the legal requirements of Regulation (EC) 178/2002. It also explains the legal requirements of the EU Food Hygiene Regulations referred to in paragraph 1.


Alan
 

slider

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You are missing the point mate .That is a guide ,a directive from local authority and not law as in law of the land to abide by or face the consequences .If we keep jumping through hoops the hoop will eventually get too small to jump through .
Do you also subscribe to some police forces requiring Dsc 1 before granting deer calibres or do think maybe the Cof P is overstepping the mark .Our Basc or suchlike will contend that in every case .Its a directive mate ,not a law .Again ,show me where this so called legislation supercedes the need for ID only .
Sorry but its you that is missing the point. While it may not be law, failure to follow ANY code of practice or official guidance would be construed as negligence if things went t!ts up.
 

foxdropper

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How can things go tits up if all carcasses are under my ID .I've nothing to hide but won’t be signing up to anything else .
You boys crack on but to me you are part of the problem .
 

foxdropper

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Sorry but its you that is missing the point. While it may not be law, failure to follow ANY code of practice or official guidance would be construed as negligence if things went t!ts up.
Codes of practice are guidance mate and remain that until passed as law .Show me where anything says it supercedes previous guidance on ID and traceability .
 

Klenchblaize

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By registering you've significantly expanded your options for disposing of venison and are therfore no longer at the mercy of your AGHE. That you have options beyond selling in-fur makes the effort well worth it IMHO.

K
 

slider

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Codes of practice are guidance mate and remain that until passed as law .Show me where anything says it supercedes previous guidance on ID and traceability .
Think you should re-read what I say. I deal with codes of practice day in day out and believe me (but doubt if you will because you are listening to nobody here) they designed to interpret law are as powerful as an act of law. Ignore them at your peril.


From Page one of the FSA Wild Game Guide
Legal status: This Regulatory guidance clearly explains the legal requirements of the EU food hygiene and relevant domestic legislation with which food businesses and people that shoot wild game and supply it in-fur or in-feather or as small quantities of wild game meat have to comply.


Now go stick you head back in the sand
 

Glyn 1

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Unbelievable that some people are still disputing this when the whole game industry is under the spotlight. We could all lose the ability to sell deer carcases based on our own inspection at the stroke of a pen just because some people can't be bothered to follow the rules. Incredible. To be honest, we could do with a few investigations and prosecutions just to give the chancers and cowboys (plus those that buy from them) a wake up call.
 

VSS

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And you can verify that how .
I thought the same as you, to start off with. Then I checked up on the law, after being prompted by a post on this site. Now I stand corrected. I started this thread to assist other people, like yourself, who have clearly misinterpreted the rules in the same way that I did initially.
The appropriate links have been posted several times, so you can verify the situation for yourself if you choose not to trust what members of this site are telling you.
 

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