Reloading for the 6,5x54M-Sch

Ovenpaa

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I know this has been covered before however there might be some new views on the subject. I have an M1900 Steyr Mannlicher–Schönauer chambered in 6,5x54M-Sch, I have a good handful of RWS brass and some 160 grain Hornady round nose, the one thing I do not have is load data however Quickload is to hand and it suggests a conservative load of 40 grains N160 or H4831SC would give 2400fps so I was going to start off at maybe 38 grains and work up however I thought it would be worth asking in case anyone has some direct experience.
 
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Muir

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I know this has been covered before however there might be some new views on the subject. I have an M1900 Steyr Mannlicher–Schönauer chambered in 6,5x54M0Sch, I have a good handful of RWS brass and some 160 grain Hornady round nose, the one thing I do not have is load data however Quickload is to hand and it suggests a conservative load of 40 grains N160 or H4831SC would give 2400fps so I was going to start off at maybe 38 grains and work up however I thought it would be worth asking in case anyone has some direct experience.
I hate to sound like a broken record, but why don't you try the powder maker's web site? Quick Load is not a substitute for established loading data. Hodgdon lists MAX charge of H4831 as 40 grains. for a velocity of 2100 fps. ~Muir
 

AndrewS

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Hi David

Vectan have some reloading data for the MS, see this link:

Kynamco stock some of the Vectan powders and indeed, loaded ammunition. They load a 140 gr bullet as it's difficult (impossible?) to get the 160 gr deer-legal in Scotland due to their strange energy requirements...

HTH

Andrew

PS - did you get the rifle from an RFD in Barrow???
 
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deeangeo

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I haven't found any propellant mfr with current data for 6.5x54MSch reloads and have been working with a number of powders to determine a decent working load for the Hornady 160gn RN bullet.
Quickload data, Reloaders Nest & Steve's Pages have been of some use.

I hadn't considered Vectan though.
 
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Ovenpaa

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Thank you for the data Andrew, I have some Vectan powders here already so will take a closer look, unfortunately we no longer live reasonably close to David at Kynamco however it would be good to pop down again at some point. This particular rifle came from Scotland and is a Gibbs take down model
 

Muir

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Thank you for the data Andrew, I have some Vectan powders here already so will take a closer look, unfortunately we no longer live reasonably close to David at Kynamco however it would be good to pop down again at some point. This particular rifle came from Scotland and is a Gibbs take down model
At Hodgdon's web site where it has the "Reloading Center" portal page, look at the top tool bar and it says data, then pull down "European Cartridge Loading Data" The 6.5x54MS is there. One of my pet cartridges, btw. Under rated at best.~Muir

PS: And for what it's worth, the latest Hornady Manual, 12th edition, has 6.5x54MS load data. I know how everyone hates those dammed book thingies but there is often some value to them....
 
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Ovenpaa

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Muir, found it now thank you, I was on a completely different part of the site. I do agree the 6,5x54MS is vastly underrated and I have been a great fan of them for many years however never actually found one that suited me. My yearning for one was rekindled when an M1903 Mannlicher–Schönauer from a local estate came in a few days ago and reminded me I still had not found one and at that stage my wife pointed me to the Gibbs build one, probably because she got to negotiate the price.
 

AndrewS

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You're welcome! I was going to suggest you tried the NitroExpress.com forum, but I see you have... Nice rifle by the way, glad to see you managed to take it down safely.
 

deeangeo

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At Hodgdon's web site where it has the "Reloading Center" portal page, look at the top tool bar and it says data, then pull down "European Cartridge Loading Data" The 6.5x54MS is there. One of my pet cartridges, btw. Under rated at best.~Muir

PS: And for what it's worth, the latest Hornady Manual, 12th edition, has 6.5x54MS load data. I know how everyone hates those dammed book thingies but there is often some value to them....
I hadn't realised the Hodgdon site had that option Muir. Thanks for that info.
 

Ovenpaa

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Yes it comes apart very easily :)

The woodwork needs a good buff however nothing drastic, apart from that it is a fine little rifle.


MS-takedown.jpg
 

deeangeo

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For interest, I disassembled an RWS 160gn factory round to see what weight of propellant was in there.
It weighed in at 39.8gns of whatever they use. Looked awfully like a Viht. N160 .....however, one can't go by looks!
Anyway, I resized the case neck, reassembled the round & finished it off with the Lee Factory Crimp die.
Hopefully it won't shoot too differently to the remainder of the box!!

The nearest I've come to a workable load just now is 38.5gns of IMR4350, but although from my MSch it's not giving the performance I'm after, although I did take three feral goats earlier this year.
 
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Apthorpe

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I was in the same boat a few months back and collated all the load data I could find (not all that much, and several repeats) into a spreadsheet which i can send you when i get back in early Jan if helpful.
 

Ovenpaa

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I was in the same boat a few months back and collated all the load data I could find (not all that much, and several repeats) into a spreadsheet which i can send you when i get back in early Jan if helpful.
I am going to start some loading when a spare moment with some conservative loads however additional data would be of great interest to me.
 

Ovenpaa

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MS Detail.jpg

Five test rounds to confirm feeding and operation followed by twenty modest rounds for load development. The chosen powder is H831SC and build length is 77,5mm with the 160grain Hornady RNSP and I am expecting 2100 start and 2200fps at the top end. I will test fire it in the morning :)
 

deeangeo

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Five test rounds to confirm feeding and operation followed by twenty modest rounds for load development. The chosen powder is H831SC and build length is 77,5mm with the 160grain Hornady RNSP and I am expecting 2100 start and 2200fps at the top end. I will test fire it in the morning :)
Quick question Ovenpaa...do you mean H4831SC or have I missed something in the Hodgdon range?
Cheers d
 

Cranhill

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I started with n140 and couldn't get it to group and by accident tried n160 and got 1.1/2"groups, for 80yrs+ rifle
I was quite pleased.
 

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