Reloading why did i bother ?

Impossible to derive anything from such a small sample size. Go and repeat the process several times with different shooters before you come to any conclusions. There is also a good chance that it is you that needs a chance to ‘warm up’ and not the rifle.
 
Some factory barrels are of a better quality than others depending on how many barrels the bit on the machine has done prior to the one you have. The fowling in the barrel can cover the imperfections and make the rifle shoot better. Also if the rifle has fired a lot of shots this can be a factor too.
 
That is the least important part of @Freeforesters question...how rapid were your shots?

Though on the rifle is the barrel fully floated? Can you slide the proverbial fiver down between fore-end and barrel when the rifle is supported on the fore-end...maybe with a light pressure down on the scope to replicate your hold...

Alan
Three shots few minutes break then three shots few minutes you get the idea
 
@imnotrucknut I suggest you go back through the posts in this thread and carefully answer all the questions people have asked. You seem to have addressed just the odd one per post, leaving many others unanswered...if one is trying to diagnose by following a logic sequence and build up a picture one must have answers to the various stages of the sequence...for instance you still haven't confirmed whether the barrel is free from contact with the fore-end.

If it is any consolation I did a double deep clean last week and have just got back from a disastrous session at the range this evening...the first three shots walked in from miles away 6" 3" 1" down and to the right, the fourth and fifth though hit each other and the bull, the dispiriting thing was those were homeloads which so far have averaged 0.609" over nine 5 shot groups.

I changed to the S&B target ammo and it went to pot again two shots touching but the next 1.8" away, but a bit better.

Apart from the scope off-barrel off-clean, I was also trying a spacer sleeve to cover the spigot of the barrel to better support the moderator...I took that off to revert to the original moderator position and the POI shifted to the left of the POA. Two shots touching and the third 1.02" away...hopeful.

Packed up and went off to have a little cry...had another go an hour or two later...again without the spigot/spacer and things seemed to be coming back towards normal with 5 shot groups from 110 V_MAX at 1.02" and S&B at 1.07" still at the worst end of their former performance though, both usually average around 0.8" for five shots.

Note to self...revert to my bore snake cleaning regime and only do a super squeaky Wipeout deep clean when the groups really go to pot.

I had two distinct factors to look at for my problems...but we do need more info to see what yours may be....all scope mountings checked for tightness and the barrel fully free floating are good starting points. Do you have the original stock to try back on? Was the GRS one bedded?

If your answer to my query about the first cold shot always going to the same POI is yes, then it does sound like a heat distortion issue. If the first shot doesn't always go to the same POI then it could be all sorts of things like scope faulty, scope mounts loose, Free floating barrel compromised and etc.

Alan

ps Aha...just stripping the rifle to clean before putting away and found a third factor...that the insulating tape across the end of the moderator had not blown away clean as it does usually...that could well have explained some of this evening's weirdness. Doncha just love the frustrations of shooting!

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The inlet on the grs stocks are channelled out to accept varmint barrels.mines a light stainless so no issues with heat causing barrel pressure .I suppose the shots were taken in 10 mins.with regard to bedding grs claim the synthetic stock doesn't require bedding .
 
The inlet on the grs stocks are channelled out to accept varmint barrels.mines a light stainless so no issues with heat causing barrel pressure .I suppose the shots were taken in 10 mins.with regard to bedding grs claim the synthetic stock doesn't require bedding .

The need to foul the barrel is likely the most probable.

The gap around the barrel is not for heat dissipation but to ensure no contact with the barrel which can alter the harmonics from shot to shot with a slightly different hold by the rifleman.

The cold barrel warming heat issue is just intrinsic barrel distortion, which may be exacerbated by for-end contact.

These are the questions I haven't spotted answers to and a few more questions...

Have you actually checked the barrel fore-end clearance with a fiver with a light pressure downward with the rifle supported by the fore-end? It sounds unlikely with a varmint stock and a light barrel, but a check takes seconds.
Have you checked all the fixings for tightness?...action to stock, scope rings, scope rings to rail, rail to action?
Check the moderator for tightness...give it a shake when you take it off to ensure the baffles are snugged up.
Check the moderator for alignment, any clipping?
Were you using both front and back bags?
Were you supporting the for-end or the barrel on the front bag?
If the fore-end was the barrel also in contact with the bag?
Was there any wind about?
After the scattered 6 fouling/warm up rounds do all the groups maintain the same size and POI?
How many groups have you fired in a session after the 6 foulers and it starts behaving itself?

I have witnessed or experienced every one of the above causes at one time or another...

Alan
 
The need to foul the barrel is likely the most probable.

The gap around the barrel is not for heat dissipation but to ensure no contact with the barrel which can alter the harmonics from shot to shot with a slightly different hold by the rifleman.

The cold barrel warming heat issue is just intrinsic barrel distortion, which may be exacerbated by for-end contact.

These are the questions I haven't spotted answers to and a few more questions...

Have you actually checked the barrel fore-end clearance with a fiver with a light pressure downward with the rifle supported by the fore-end? It sounds unlikely with a varmint stock and a light barrel, but a check takes seconds.
Have you checked all the fixings for tightness?...action to stock, scope rings, scope rings to rail, rail to action?
Check the moderator for tightness...give it a shake when you take it off to ensure the baffles are snugged up.
Check the moderator for alignment, any clipping?
Were you using both front and back bags?
Were you supporting the for-end or the barrel on the front bag?
If the fore-end was the barrel also in contact with the bag?
Was there any wind about?
After the scattered 6 fouling/warm up rounds do all the groups maintain the same size and POI?
How many groups have you fired in a session after the 6 foulers and it starts behaving itself?

I have witnessed or experienced every one of the above causes at one time or another...

Alan
Two more, Was the bolt touching wood? do you touch barrel whilst hold the gun.
 
I cannot agree with that statement at all, every rifle I have owned and its a lot shot far better after a few round had past through.
It is rough barrels that need fouling shots. Either from problems with manufacturing of through use. Just because your rifle is brand new doesn’t mean that the bore is spotless. I use aftermarket match grade barrels exclusively and all of my rifles shoot exactly the same from cold clean bore through to the 40th shot (as long as you let it cool).
 
It is rough barrels that need fouling shots. Either from problems with manufacturing of through use. Just because your rifle is brand new doesn’t mean that the bore is spotless. I use aftermarket match grade barrels exclusively and all of my rifles shoot exactly the same from cold clean bore through to the 40th shot (as long as you let it cool).
I don't think so.
I have had rifles in different bores, different factory makes and aftermarket bespoke built guns from.22.--700 and each and everyone shot perfect after 5-6 rounds.
Ok some would shoot well after cleaning, but never at their best.
Some like my current 375AI will shoot perfect groups from its 4th shot after cleaning to almost 100 shots before needing cleaned. Others like my BSA with Sassen barrel in 7mm needs cleaning every 30 shots and shoots perfect from second shot.
 
No contact with stock .not holding barrel when firing .barrel not resting on bag.all screws tight but I'd have to remove scope to check bases but I did loctight them so wouldn't have thought they came loose
 
Been up the range again .same thing .not cleaned first shot looks like a flyer then following 3 hroup well then another 3 shots barrel heating up.waited to cool slightly 3 more opening up a bit.
Removed mod let everything cool right down.only 2 bullets left. 132041132042
 
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