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guevara

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Im applying for a 22WMR for fox but i cant get a centerfire for deer as i have no mentor.

When you pay an estate to go stalking can you normally hire a rifle out.

Regards
 

swampy

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mentor

Really?

thats unusual. who will you be foxing with? are they experienced and can they act as a mentor for foxing with a 243?
 

guevara

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I fox with a friend.Im not sure he will mentor for me as he will have to put alot at stake and does menotring not have to last a few years.


Will a rimfire not do the job on a fox? i dont want to wound any animals
 
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Grantoliver

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I think I am right in saying that my local force will not approve .22 rimfire for fox. My experience is that it will certainly work but it will not create a big wound, so placement is essential. It will therefore be unlikely to be your foxing calibre for all conditions (range will be a critical consideration). It would certainly not be my choice.


Grant
 

Gyr

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In my experience the police will only approve .22 centrefire for fox.
The .22 rimfire is great for rabbits and small vermin but for foxy it's (for me) .22 centrefire everytime.

Good luck

Gyr
 

buckup

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Hi Foxy experts,
I wonder what advantages there are in the supersonic .22rf. I have a few boxes and really don't know what use they have. They shoot about 4"high at 50yds compared with winchester subs. Do they pack a lot more punch than the subs, or do they just extend the range?
Most of what I do is bunnies, but it would be nice to be able to up the clout if Reynard should turn up.
Mark
 
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Grantoliver

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Hi Mark. I am hardly an expert but personally I cant see alot of point in them. I am always nervous about a ricochet, they dont break up on impact and you have to contend with the sound barrier being broken. I dont shoot rabbit for the pot enough to need a round that produces a low level of meat damage.

So for me they are used for having a bit of fun at the range.

Grant
 

stone

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hi guevara
which licensing force are you under? as there seems to be something not quite right as you are applying for a 22wm for fox as you can't get a 243 for deer, so why not get a 222 for fox then get a variation to hav it passed for the smaller deer speices that are now legall for that calibre,
if you already hav written permission for fox controll then you can force the issue to hav a 243 for fox controll, and if you hav a letter stating that you hav permission to shoot deer like a booking of stalking then you your force hav to prove just cause as to why you can't hav a deer legal calibre put on your ticket, my advice is to speak to someone like BASC, BDS, NGO or some other authority like that as they will give you advice and may even take up the cause to help you out but only if you are member if not then join one
mark
HV 22 are good but no point having a sound mod on your rifle , they do deliver a good clout but so do 22 subs and with foxes if they are in range then head shots are the way to go as they always run with chest shots so if you are limited on open fields then you may not pick up many chest shot foxes and that is not a good feeling
 
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Grantoliver

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The .222 idea is an excellent one Richard. Much better for fox and now deer legal. Its win win.
 

wadashot

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I can see there seems to be a little confusion over a couple of things here so hope i could offer some advise as to what i have done in the past.

Firstly, if stalking is a path that you fancy going down, then you need to explain this to your firearms officer telling him or her that you want a .243 as you want to start deerstalking. If they insist that you need a mentor then you need to contact a stalker who is prepared to take you. Once you have done this, have the stalker write about a dozen dates in a letter to your cop shop. The firearms unit should then give you a .243 on your ticket with the said dates on it, this is called dates by variation. You won`t need to use all of these dates but it gives you the option to choose which suit you and the stalker best. If your firearms unit decline, just ask them how you expect to start stalking if you can`t get a rifle. I have personally written letters for new stalkers who are just starting out and this has got them there .243, and usually the FO have come round to my way of thinking that how can you start if you have no gun. The stalkers name usually gets put onto your license but once you have been about 3-4 times with the stalker he should then be able to write a competence letter to the FO.

Ok, shooting foxes with a .22 rf. As far as i am aware there is nothing to stop you shooting foxes with a rimfire, as they are covered by vermin, if i am wrong then i will be put right by someone. :rolleyes: I have shot dozens with supersonic .22, especially in the early days of shooting rifles, and shot within 70 yards in the chest usually stop them dead. I used expiditers, supersonics and they did the job well, and they were accurate too. When i shot foxes with my .22, it was around a turkey farm on the edge of a housing estate, so a full bore at that time was not an option with the noise.
Hope this helps a bit, though i am sure you will get other usefull advise ;)

wadas
 

JAYB

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guevara, you are getting a lot of good advice here but not giving much away. Have you discussed this with you F.O., are you a member of BASC or a similar organisation, have you actually been told that you need a mentor, if so for how long etc.

You have to work with us here.

John
 

Tim1

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Pete's bang on here. Don't mess about and go stright to BASC for advice. They'll be only too glad to fight your corner.

Good luck,

Tim
 

guevara

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I am not a mmber of the BASC or any other organisation.I have not been told i need a mentor as i have not yet applied for my FAC but i would have though for a centerfire i would of needed a mentor.
 

guevara

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What i am saying is should i apply for a rimfire for fox such as a 22WMR and rent estate rifles for stalking.

PS
Tony, i have nether been thrown of this site, this is like my second topic in a few months.I manily come on here to read.
 

Tony

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I appolgise if i am wrong but is a coincidence that someone with the same site name was kicked of a different forum .
 

mjjl

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there was someone on the hunting life forum who asked a lot of stupid questions. i believe he has been removed from that site.
He was using the same name as you are using on here, may i ask how old you are as it may well change the advice you are given by members of this site.
 

buckup

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mjjl said:
there was someone on the hunting life forum who asked a lot of stupid questions. i believe he has been removed from that site.
He was using the same name as you are using on here, may i ask how old you are as it may well change the advice you are given by members of this site.
Hi Guevara,
a bit harsh perhaps, but just be straight here. This might be your only chance to ask people who really know what they're talking about. Being young is no crime (we all were once) most of us wish we were again! We pride ourselves on the saying "no question is too stupid" so ask away, but be honest from the start.
Mark
 

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