Ruger 10/22 problems

[Mark23576]

Hi I bought a ruger 10/22 yesterday complete with scope and silencer yesterday from a gun shop. It is only a month old I tried to zero it yesterday and after shimming the rail at the rear I managed to get it on the target at 25yds, before shimming it was 18 inch low at 25yds. I then extended it to 50yds and carried on but the best 5 shot group I could get was about 8 inch. Last night I checked everything was tight, and that the stock was on correctly. Today I tried again but it will not group well at all instead it makes patterns usually quite narrow but very tall the best I could get was 8 inch high and 4 inch wide, and I had one 14 inch high and 6 inch wide and a few in between these. This was from a lying down position I have put over 150 bullets through it and it is useless. I have tried it without the mod on and it s no better. And I have tried a different scope as I thought it was the scope.
Can anyone offer advice as to what could be the problem.


I also have a CZ 527 .223 and I have no problems with that I get 1 inch groups at 100yds whilst resting on the land rover bonnet using factory ammo.

 

[palmer_mike]

Got to wonder why it was for sale second hand if the previous owner only had it a month? Maybe they had problems with it which were not resolved? My first thoug was the scope, but you've already eliminated that.

 

[Mark23576]

Got to wonder why it was for sale second hand if the previous owner only had it a month? Maybe they had problems with it which were not resolved? My first thoug was the scope, but you've already eliminated that.

I think you are correct the previous owner more than likly couldn't get it to shoot right either. I rang the shop yesterday 3 hours after buying it to say it would not group they told me to try some different ammo I did today but it was still no use.
the worst thing is I have wasted money on it and now I need to send my fac back to get a variation on it before I can get another gun which costs me money again as well as a few weeks without a gun. I am probably going to end up £70 out of pocket with bullets fuel and variation. That's if they give me my money back on it. Plus money is tight at the moment with a baby due in 7 weeks.

 

[tackb]

A ha ! The old 10-22 ? Which model do you have ?

Those groups are wrong it should shoot better.

 

[Mark23576]

A ha ! The old 10-22 ? Which model do you have ?

Those groups are wrong it should shoot better.

It the standard carbine I know they are not the most accurate gun but I should be able to keep a group inside 2 inch. This won't keep the group on an a4 piece of paper

 

[tjm160]

I had a similar issue with a 10/22 and a semi-customised one at that. After cleaning excessively, trying different scopes, with and without moderator and different makes of ammo (>300 rounds in total), I gave up and sent it back. Groups sizes started off around 3-inches and although I did get down to 1-1.5 inches in the end, they still moved all around the target. A friend has a S&W M&P 15-22 and has seen groups sizes vary between 1 and 5 inches just between different brands (we both found CCI Segmented performed best in both rifles). Although semi-autos will never be as accurate as bolt action's, looking up online at the time, 1-1.5 inches is a more than reasonable expectation at 50m. Any more than that and something is surely wrong.

 

[Archer]

I'd go with ammunition.
Mine has poor groups with Winchester/Eley but groups tighter with CCI - 2inch and less

 

[simon1979]

hi there,
i brought my 10/22 new about 10 years ago, and ive put some like 3000 rounds throught it, it has its faults but yes it should group around 1'' at 80-100 yards.
you should take it back if its only a month old, or try contacting the importors as it must still be warranty as well.
i normally use either remington/cci or wincester ammo, all run through well, it doent like eley through.

 

[artschool]

a friend of mine had a 10/22 with the same problem. we tried everything as well as him chucking money at replacement parts to try to isolate the problem.

 

[charadam]

Check the moderator for signs of lead hitting the baffles.

Especially if the mod was sold as "special for this rifle".

I had a Voere years ago that shot incredibly well for a SA, then had it shortened and screwcut.

​Without mod - 1/2" groups all day. With the "specially fitted mod" I never managed a group of any kind.

 

[Mark23576]

hi there, i brought my 10/22 new about 10 years ago, and ive put some like 3000 rounds throught it, it has its faults but yes it should group around 1'' at 80-100 yards. you should take it back if its only a month old, or try contacting the importors as it must still be warranty as well. i normally use either remington/cci or wincester ammo, all run through well, it doent like eley through.

Thanks I would expect it to still be under warranty but as I bought it used even though only a month old will the warranty still be valid I will ring them tomorrow to see.

Check the moderator for signs of lead hitting the baffles. Especially if the mod was sold as "special for this rifle". I had a Voere years ago that shot incredibly well for a SA, then had it shortened and screwcut. ​Without mod - 1/2" groups all day. With the "specially fitted mod" I never managed a group of any kind.

i checked it with the mod off as well but was the same. I also checked the end of the barrel and it looks like it was factory screwcut.

 

[Knifeman]

I'd go with ammunition.
Mine has poor groups with Winchester/Eley but groups tighter with CCI - 2inch and less

And mine is the opposite best groups eleys! Missfires after 100 or so rounds with excess fouling

 

[Bandit Country]

After checking all the obvious mechanical bits - scope mount, moderator fit etc I'd have a close look at the ammunition. My 10/22 groups at 100 metres from 1" (Winchester 40gn Sub-sonic) through 2" for RWS 40gn sub-sonic to shotgun-blast size groups for Remington 36gn HP.

 

[Archer]

And mine is the opposite best groups eleys!
Missfires after 100 or so rounds with excess fouling

I have much the same fouling/misfire problem with the CCIs

 

[matt_1029]

I had one for a few years , It didnt shoot to badley , about a 2 in group at 50 yards . It was the magizine that never worked right so got a 25 shot one and that was not much better. In the end i sold it and got a cz bolt action one. That will put bullets down the same hole at 50m .On yours could it be the bolt taking the edges of the bullets off as it puts them into the barrel .

 

[Mark23576]

I forgot to mention I was using winchester subsonic but tried some remington and eley but it made no difference. I would get a tighter group throwing the bullets at the target. This is at 50yds at 100yds the group would be about2.5 feet

 

[Mark23576]

Now you mention it I did notice that a bullet I ejected without firing did look damaged on the side but I just presumed it was a dodgy bullet

 

[deerwarden]

Had one for years with no issues other than cleaning mags as they get sticky, strip out the action as the 10/22 has an aluminium action, and the barrel is not screwed in to the action, but secured/clamped in, the barrel can be taken out and replaced, check to make sure its not loose as this could be why you have an elongated group. I have known customised ones to have had the barrel "glued" in. deerwarden
edited as I had the auto, if yours is not an auto action will be different

 

[perdix]

I've has a couple of 10/22s and the one that I had a few Rimfire Magic parts on would produce sub 1/2" groups at 50 paces off a rest.
I had a similar problem to that you are experiencing with an old BRNO bolt-action rifle that had been shortened to 16" and rethreaded.I took it back to the gunshop and had it recrowned,new mod fitted and even some trigger work on it but still it wouldn't hold a group.I ended up getting rid of it at the shop

 

[Muir]

It the standard carbine I know they are not the most accurate gun but I should be able to keep a group inside 2 inch. This won't keep the group on an a4 piece of paper

Get rid of the barrel band if you haven't already. Then check to see if the barrel mounting screws are tight. Then take off that moderator. If the mod removal changes POI dramatically, have a Volquartzen type scope mount put on that attaches to the barrel and the receiver. Once that is done, try the mod again.

But first, get rid of that barrel band. It's an accuracy killer.~Muir