Section 5 firearms advice
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Simply being a stalker is not good enough reason for Kent Police
chrisc
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All the above is correct apart from the advice of carrying 2 rifles (under lever). What I had to do was put together a file of why I needed one ie situations where a pistol/revolver would be more practical and safer than using a rifle for the following dispatching shot , what species of deer are you hunting, and numbers I shot in a year.
i hope this helps and no malice to the under lever answer but if you are granted one think practical as it is something else to carry.
regards chris
i hope this helps and no malice to the under lever answer but if you are granted one think practical as it is something else to carry.
regards chris
Hi Mate read the Basc document on the Basc web site hand guns for humane dispatch ,recreational stalkers can apply it has nothing to do with profession Kent Police are acting outside the law If you meet the criteria you shall be granted what you have applied for Section 27 of the firearms act 1968
This is true, but you will need to be confident in your request and have thought through the answers to the inevitable questions posed. Just like the grant of a FAC for a deer rifle, I suspect that if you are an experienced recreational stalker with qualifications or other evidence to support it, then that will certainly help.
Whilst many stalkers may holler that their .410 or other is better than a pistol, you have discretion and it is your choice and your decision!
Read the BASC notes as suggested as they are very good.
Tony
You can indeed apply - I never said you couldn't - nor did I make mention of profession
Kent Police have authorised handguns for HD in the past, and may well do so in the future, however chrisc has listed a benchmark example of what criteria may be used and I find the Kent Police reply and explanation of why I donot meet their criteria quite reasonable.
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Uncle Norm
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Only the potential applicants themselves know whether they have a genuine and substantial 'good reason', for acquiring the small firearm requested.
There will be a thorough enquiry by the police and those who do indeed have a genuine and substantial good reason, should not experience any problems.
If such applicants do have problems then that is where BASC and the like can assist.
However there are unfortunately a significant number of applications that do not stand up to scrutiny. This can result in much anxiety and investment of time and money that could be much better spent 'out on the deer'.
There will be a thorough enquiry by the police and those who do indeed have a genuine and substantial good reason, should not experience any problems.
If such applicants do have problems then that is where BASC and the like can assist.
However there are unfortunately a significant number of applications that do not stand up to scrutiny. This can result in much anxiety and investment of time and money that could be much better spent 'out on the deer'.
kennyc
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matt_hooks
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leeC, that's obviously true, however it's a little inconvenient to carry a rifle AND a .410 when stalking. I have to say I'd struggle to justify carrying the extra weight of the pistol as well as a rifle, but that's because I'm lazy. If you can show a "good reason" then it's definitely better than carrying a shotty.
Hi shuggie,
Weapon? From the Oxford "A thing designed or used for inflicting bodily harm or physical damage" And no, I do not have one for deer but I do have one for the Humane Dispatch of certain other animals.
If you demonstrate good reason and, satisfy their criteria then there will be no problem. It will be a Section 1 Firearm to you and you alone. Let anybody else handle it let alone use it, it will revert to its Section 5(1)(aba) status assuming you are trying to acquire a "Short Firearm" Big problem if caught doing so.
Section 5 RFD's will require a copy of the a "Authorisation to acquire" before they will entertain your quest for whatever you personally may require.
Be prepared for some pertinent but none the less tricky questions as this would appear to be getting harder and harder for recreational stalkers to be able to demonstrate good reason. And, are you prepared to go to appeal on the refusal of a grant? I wouldn't bank on one of the largest shooting organizations taking it on for you! Might get some advice though.
I was indeed fortunate in that I did not have to apply for mine as such but rather at my renewal I was asked if "Would not be more practical to have a pistol along with the rifle conditions" that I was asking for?
Still, best of luck but don't use the word weapon please.......Handgun or, pistol will suffice.
Regards,
Micky
Weapon? From the Oxford "A thing designed or used for inflicting bodily harm or physical damage" And no, I do not have one for deer but I do have one for the Humane Dispatch of certain other animals.
If you demonstrate good reason and, satisfy their criteria then there will be no problem. It will be a Section 1 Firearm to you and you alone. Let anybody else handle it let alone use it, it will revert to its Section 5(1)(aba) status assuming you are trying to acquire a "Short Firearm" Big problem if caught doing so.
Section 5 RFD's will require a copy of the a "Authorisation to acquire" before they will entertain your quest for whatever you personally may require.
Be prepared for some pertinent but none the less tricky questions as this would appear to be getting harder and harder for recreational stalkers to be able to demonstrate good reason. And, are you prepared to go to appeal on the refusal of a grant? I wouldn't bank on one of the largest shooting organizations taking it on for you! Might get some advice though.
I was indeed fortunate in that I did not have to apply for mine as such but rather at my renewal I was asked if "Would not be more practical to have a pistol along with the rifle conditions" that I was asking for?
Still, best of luck but don't use the word weapon please.......Handgun or, pistol will suffice.
Regards,
Micky
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I'm not convinced for a second it is any different at the current time. If you have good reason then they have to grant you what you ask for.
I personally would take a lot of convincing for a genuine need to take a second weapon stalking. If you are doing humane dispatch work there are half a dozen better tools. I wouldn't even usually take a pistol for that job.
Weapon is the terminology used in the firearms act and perfectly appropriate. I would collectively refer to my firearms as weapons. I suspect that 'handgun' or 'pistol' are more emotive to the general public.
Hi Apache,
In certain circumstances they are the perfect "Tool" for the job. Personally my first choice for deer is usually the .410 shotgun and indeed for most animals here in the UK at appropriate ranges of course.
There would, based on reading forums and the shooting magazines that more people are getting refusals for the granting of "Humane dispatch" pistols. I know of two refusals personally. Maybe it's because more and more people are applying I don't know what the statistics are?
But the guy that wants a lovely Smith and Wesson 629 .357 Magnum. Whilst there is no basis in law but the condition imposed at the discretion of the Chief Constable is, barrel to have 2 inches of the rifling removed, be cut and ported and restricted to 1 shot suddenly looses some of its appeal to some applicants.
I would love the return of our Hand guns for recreational use but it 'aint gonna happen I have to go to my Mother in laws to use all of mine over 3,500 miles to Pennsylvania USA.
The Police yes, do have guidelines to follow and, if a water tight "Good Reason" can be established it will be granted but that is the question and as you pointed out, "Half a dozen better tools" available of which the Police know also.
The dispatch pistol I think has been debated a lot on here over the last few years and there will always be different views and those of us that do possess them still have to justify them on renewal.
I'm going to bed now got to be up at 3am! this stalking is a hard life people really don't know how hard it is do they?
Good night to all,
Micky
In certain circumstances they are the perfect "Tool" for the job. Personally my first choice for deer is usually the .410 shotgun and indeed for most animals here in the UK at appropriate ranges of course.
There would, based on reading forums and the shooting magazines that more people are getting refusals for the granting of "Humane dispatch" pistols. I know of two refusals personally. Maybe it's because more and more people are applying I don't know what the statistics are?
But the guy that wants a lovely Smith and Wesson 629 .357 Magnum. Whilst there is no basis in law but the condition imposed at the discretion of the Chief Constable is, barrel to have 2 inches of the rifling removed, be cut and ported and restricted to 1 shot suddenly looses some of its appeal to some applicants.
I would love the return of our Hand guns for recreational use but it 'aint gonna happen I have to go to my Mother in laws to use all of mine over 3,500 miles to Pennsylvania USA.
The Police yes, do have guidelines to follow and, if a water tight "Good Reason" can be established it will be granted but that is the question and as you pointed out, "Half a dozen better tools" available of which the Police know also.
The dispatch pistol I think has been debated a lot on here over the last few years and there will always be different views and those of us that do possess them still have to justify them on renewal.
I'm going to bed now got to be up at 3am! this stalking is a hard life people really don't know how hard it is do they?
Good night to all,
Micky
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