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Hi everyone, I have just received my firearms certificate back from Avon and Somerset. Just a five week turn around for a coterminous and additional calibre, so a great service.
When I applied for the .243 I forgot to add a moderator! So my question is, can I use my .223 mod on my .243 legally? Thanks Nelson
 
Bore size apart it's impossible to answer unless you state verbatim what the condition(s) on your FAC are.
 
unless the 243 is condition for sound moderator no, even if the moderator on your 223 is 30cal,its not the moderator but the condition on your firearm certificate.no 243moderator dont fit a moderator to your 243 simple.
 
banus said:
.........no 243moderator dont fit a moderator to your 243 simple.
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Or maybe not quite so simple. ;)

A moderator is a 'firearm' in it's own right. So if the quarry condition on an FAC simply says "The firearms and ammunition........." as per Appendix 3 of HOG and used by a number of FLDs, then you are at liberty to use any moderator possessed on any rifle if you wish.
 
does it not depend on if you get caught...?

while there are other factors to consider,

1.is the moderator proof marked..? if not it section 57? not part of a gun
2. if it's proof marked does it have the calibre on it..?
3. depends if you feel lucky

as a user of fire arms your expected to know the law, so it's up to 5 years for an FAC holder and up to 10 years for a dealer.... in jail...! and you'll become a prohibited person after that....!

personally I put in for a variation and get the right paperwork and be done with uncertainty but that's just me, if you feel lucky crack on....!

PS I've never seen you and my advice is usually deeply floored....


CPS is a great source of info

Firearms: Legal Guidance: The Crown Prosecution Service
 
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Nelson62 said:
Hi everyone, I have just received my firearms certificate back from Avon and Somerset. Just a five week turn around for a coterminous and additional calibre, so a great service.
When I applied for the .243 I forgot to add a moderator! So my question is, can I use my .223 mod on my .243 legally? Thanks Nelson
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Not legally, you need to apply for a variation and it won't be free because it's an additional item on your certificate.

Cheers

Bruce
 
mealiejimmy said:
Not legally, you need to apply for a variation and it won't be free because it's an additional item on your certificate.
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Might be completely legal. Depends entirely on the wording of any condition on his FAC.

I don't have any moderators specifically mentioned in the quarry condition on mine - just "firearms".
 
I suspect that the moderator entry on your certificate will say something along the lines of "moderator for use on .223 rifle".

If you've just got it back, (and you can actually physically use the moderator on the .243) it might be worthwhile phoning them up and pleading that you meant to get the moderator conditioned for both rifles. Catch 'em on a good day, who knows? They might just alter it.
 
Don't get it. A rifle is not conditioned for the use of a moderator, but because a moderator is deemed to be a firearm, it has to be conditioned. Where does it say you can't use a moderator you're conditioned to posess, on a rifle you're also conditioned to posess, unless it is specifically listed ?
 
Nowhere. ;)

That's how even the Home Office get it right sometimes with their advised conditions in Appendix 3 - just a shame that some FLDs continue to go their own way and confuse people!
 
Legaly NO, but call up your FEO and have a chat with him/ her explain the situation, and see what they come up with as a solution , you will probably be surprised at how much help you will get, just by showing them that you have made a mistake , ( only human) and you would like their help to correct it so that you can shoot the way you want and stay within the law
Cheers
Ray
 
Nelson62 said:
Hi everyone, I have just received my firearms certificate back from Avon and Somerset. Just a five week turn around for a coterminous and additional calibre, so a great service.
When I applied for the .243 I forgot to add a moderator! So my question is, can I use my .223 mod on my .243 legally? Thanks Nelson
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I presume that you will have fitted .243 baffles, that are not deemed to be 'firearms'.
My F.A.C. only conditions 'the firearms and ammunition to which this certificate relates'. Apart from one target rifle, which is exempted from the Unrestricted condition, no rifle or moderator is specified.
 
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Most Police Authorities have done away with rifle specific moderator wording
I would be surprised if yours has not done the same

You will most likely have no reference to a specific moderator in the Conditions on Page 1 and page 2 of your FAC

Conditions 1-4 are usually general (security, notifications, holder etc etc)
conditions 5 onwards are specific to you, expanding ammuntion, target shooting, any restrictions on specific items
check there

is the entry of the moderator itself listed as a "moderator to be used on XXX firearm"?

If
a) you have no specific restriction or RIFLE specific listing on the use of YOUR moderator
and
b) the bore of your ".223" moderator is 6.5mm or bigger (very slim chance it will be smaller they are all made well over 1mm bigger than calibre)

then you can legally and physically use it on your .243

I did just this with a PES I had on my .222 and then on my .243

Check bore with a drill bit or decent calipers (insert drill UP into inverted moderator to avoid dropping it inside....that would be bad...)
Once fitted check you have no shadow when looking from chamber to muzzle, remove and refit as necessary
just because the hole is the right size doesnt mean the thread job is positioning in centrally!
 
I am some what surprised that your FEO when he met with you didn't mention that there was no application for the .243 moddy. I am in A@S and its always been mentioned. Anyway if you had a Wildcat Evolution all you require is a different baffle stack, whilst i have moddy for all 3 of my C/F rifles I just use one moddy and change the baffle stack.

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Orion said:
That's quite emphatic. Can you, or anyone else who believes the same, tell me why as you don't know what the OP has on his FAC as a condition?
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Its quite simple he stated that he had not applied for a mod for his .243 and the fact he is asking if he can double up he is showing he is unsure about his fac conditions.
if you read further you will see that i advise hime to contact his FEO for the correct sollution to his dilema rather than rely on the EXPERTS on here
I am NOT an expert, and i dont think his FEO will be an expert, but it is his FEO that he needs to listen to as it will be the FEO that sorts out this problem, definately not anyone on here, nomatter how well meaning people are
Cheers
Ray
 
People are right to question questions like this, and I wish it were as simple as "check with your FEO", but sadly, few FEO's have a clue, and are the cause of much angst, and confusion.

What also doesn't help, is people confusing the issue further. Does the OP have something on his license to suggest he can't use one mod for both rifles ? If not, unless someone can show something in the HOG, or other point of law, whay are they creating even more issues than we already have ???

My FLD have told me, that I can use any suitable moderator I have, on any rifle I have. All of my moderators are "over size" so that they cover several rifles. All of mymoderators are listed as make "unknown", serial number "none".


Not one person stating it's illegal, has posted one piece of law, or guidance to support their opinion !
 
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