Shoot more Deer !

[Alastair Boston]

I think many in here would share your concerns.
Think the odds of a permission were calculated as 150,000:1 on previous thread.

I viewed it as a marketing hike to attract new members. Nothing wrong in that everyone does it.

As to the DI I would never trust anything anyone ever associated with the DI says, ever.

Just my opinion.

As to the DI I would never trust anything anyone ever associated with the DI says, ever.

Ah there's me thinking we were getting on just fine !

 

[big ears]

As to the DI I would never trust anything anyone ever associated with the DI says, ever.

Ah there's me thinking we were getting on just fine !

A Leopard never changes its spots

 

[south-nofolk-stalker]

Im not sure tags are the way forward. People simply wont pay for the tag and will dispose through other means. Also unnecessary as AGHE will pass their costs on to either stalker or consumer or both.

What are the common problems across much of the country?
1/ muntjac financially worthless at dealer, but easiest for ‘one for the freezer’ mentality to deal with. Let more recreational stakers on for muntjac and cwd control. I know from one permission that when the local shoot left the ground the feeders went, and so did the easy reliable ambush. Numbers went up.
2/ fallow population out of control - needs coordinated effort on cull days to prevent pushing them nocturnal. Or night licences.
3/ reds generally need a few people to lift or winching gear and to paraphrase others ‘some people dont want the hard work’.
4/ you need access to a chiller to cull enough to make a difference.This is another area where landowners need to be involved with and take advantage of the grants.

Muntjac need to be shot on sight. If it becomes dogfood so be it.

Seen by some as pests or vermin, deer are going to be increasigly treated as such unless numbers go down to sustainable (landowners tolerance) levels. So if you are interested in the welfare of the herd, you should be pro hard culls with all options on table, especially closing woodland public access on designated days and extending legal shooting hours and seasons. Some still oppose this, expect the culls to happen anyway.

The days of ‘deer managers’ only turning up for roebucks and no doe culling during winter as too busy on bird shoots has /or should have ended. Landowners need to choose their deer managers carefully.

You a 100% spot on!

Tags are not the way forward, just shoot them and get a home for them any way you can.

Muntjac / CWD / Roe - the Fred in a shed’s friend, and easy money and I’ll guarantee that’s where most who are home processing are selling.

Fallow- bit bigger but not too much of a ball ache

Red - BALL ACHE Alive and dead and I’ve got all the gear to handle them.

I’ve got to come out of semi retirement this year to get Into the red population that has in the last 5 years come from a nomadic 3/4 to almost residential herd next door of 20+ and I can’t go or get next door and their not shot there either, so not going to be easy.

My plan is to give them all away, all the reds and surplus small stuff, as long as they collect they can have them, research into that starts on Wednesday.

Luckily I only now have 500 acres on my doorstep, I’ve given 2000 acres of stalking away to trusted friends, that’s a manageable amount of land for 1 man.

 

[Archer]

We pay enough already in my opinion! If the government wants more killing then it needs to persuade land owners and make life a bit easier for stalkers. Some places in North America have community feed stations that take surplus deer and turn them into food for those unable to hunt or just too poor to afford it!
We could try that but the public perception of venison would require them to be fully processed into meals I suspect.

Spot on

 

[south-nofolk-stalker]

We pay enough already in my opinion! If the government wants more killing then it needs to persuade land owners and make life a bit easier for stalkers. Some places in North America have community feed stations that take surplus deer and turn them into food for those unable to hunt or just too poor to afford it!
We could try that but the public perception of venison would require them to be fully processed into meals I suspect.

That’s exactly what the country food trust do from what I understand, fully processed meals into food banks.

They are my first port of call this week to look to supply FOC

 

[Chill 123]

Has ANYONE ever had a permission pushed their way via BASC or the Deer Initiative etc? Please do enlighten…

Or more likely have they had a nice permission which had been working fine suddenly taken off them due to arseholes talking absolute sh1te to a range of non-governmental orgs in receipt of grants ?

I wouldnt **** on BASC if it was on fire after the lead/non-lead debacle and quite a few of the other organisations are no better.

Hi Tikka
I would agree BASC and the other shooting organisations aren't perfect ,but I am still a member . My question is who will represent you and your views and defend your rights ? When the Labour party gets in at the next election and start to change the freedoms we now have , as they surely will .

Chill

 

[Ratel]

Hi Tikka
I would agree BASC and the other shooting organisations aren't perfect ,but I am still a member . My question is who will represent you and your views and defend your rights ? When the Labour party gets in at the next election and start to change the freedoms we now have , as they surely will .

Chill

Sorry Chill but if you think our organisations will be listened to by a Labour gov I suggest you listen to an old record by the Everely Bros, it applies. The Tories don't listen much either.

 

[Overlay]

Hi Tikka
I would agree BASC and the other shooting organisations aren't perfect ,but I am still a member . My question is who will represent you and your views and defend your rights ? When the Labour party gets in at the next election and start to change the freedoms we now have , as they surely will .

Chill

Agree 100% it’s been said before on here, we need representation and if BASC or whoever you and should support, there has never been a time like right now when everyone should pull and push together for all shooting disciplines no matter who you are or what you do, shooting is under tremendous pressure,
You know what boils my pee people coming on forums stating I can’t get rid of deer I can’t get top price blah blah ohh I just dump them
What picture does that paint for people who MIGHT try venision in the future and the growing anti shooting lobbyist it means they are winning and in some quarters shooting people are helping them FMOB with gun ho only care about me syndrome combine that with some **** poor standards
Might as well turn the light out now
My boys and some of my grand kids shoot what is going to be left for them

 

[south-nofolk-stalker]

Agree 100% it’s been said before on here, we need representation and if BASC or whoever you and should support, there has never been a time like right now when everyone should pull and push together for all shooting disciplines no matter who you are or what you do, shooting is under tremendous pressure,
You know what boils my pee people coming on forums stating I can’t get rid of deer I can’t get top price blah blah ohh I just dump them
What picture does that paint for people who MIGHT try venision in the future and the growing anti shooting lobbyist it means they are winning and in some quarters shooting people are helping them FMOB with gun ho only care about me syndrome combine that with some **** poor standards
Might as well turn the light out now
My boys and some of my grand kids shoot what is going to be left for them

We are going in circles here, let’s face it the reason why the deer are not being shot are down to poor price at the game dealers, people need to realise that they are not going to get Rich out of shooting deer!

I realised that I don’t know how many years ago, when one roe deer paid for my next box of bullets, and I think that was something like £15 or £20 that shows you how long ago.

The only way I can see the tonnage of venison that needs to be used or to get rid of the coin of phrase, is Give the bugger away stop worrying about money.

And if you can’t afford to give it away your surplus pack it in and make way for someone who can simple as that.

It really does infuriate me when people are chasing the best Game Dealer price, the best Game Dealer price ended about 5-7 years ago when Peterborough game stopped paying £2.80 per kilo collected for red deer. Now they were a good days!

Those days are gone and more than likely gone for good so what are you do?

We as a collective have a job to do so it’s best we get on with it and quit moaning about it and just just do the best we can to get rid of what we can buy anyway or means possible but I know one thing I’ll give it away before I put it in a hole

 

[308tikka]

Hi Tikka
I would agree BASC and the other shooting organisations aren't perfect ,but I am still a member . My question is who will represent you and your views and defend your rights ? When the Labour party gets in at the next election and start to change the freedoms we now have , as they surely will .

Chill

I dont wish to make this political but the tories have enacted anti shooting legislation, and have lost all moral fibre, unfit to govern. The labour party will be so busy trying to fix the mess they wont have time for pet hates in their first term.

 

[Chill 123]

Sorry Chill but if you think our organisations will be listened to by a Labour gov I suggest you listen to an old record by the Everely Bros, it applies. The Tories don't listen much either.

Hi Ratel
Unfortunately there the only voice we have. What would you do sit back not challenge and say nothing ?


Chill

 

[Chill 123]

I dont wish to make this political but the tories have enacted anti shooting legislation, and have lost all moral fibre, unfit to govern. The labour party will be so busy trying to fix the mess they wont have time for pet hates in their first term.

Hi Tikka
you didn't answer my question ?Given your distain of BASC ,which ever government it is threatens shooting who will take forward your views and defend your rights ?

Chill

 

[David Barker]

We are going in circles here, let’s face it the reason why the deer are not being shot are down to poor price at the game dealers, people need to realise that they are not going to get Rich out of shooting deer!

I realised that I don’t know how many years ago, when one roe deer paid for my next box of bullets, and I think that was something like £15 or £20 that shows you how long ago.

The only way I can see the tonnage of venison that needs to be used or to get rid of the coin of phrase, is Give the bugger away stop worrying about money.

And if you can’t afford to give it away your surplus pack it in and make way for someone who can simple as that.

It really does infuriate me when people are chasing the best Game Dealer price, the best Game Dealer price ended about 5-7 years ago when Peterborough game stopped paying £2.80 per kilo collected for red deer. Now they were a good days!

Those days are gone and more than likely gone for good so what are you do?

We as a collective have a job to do so it’s best we get on with it and quit moaning about it and just just do the best we can to get rid of what we can buy anyway or means possible but I know one thing I’ll give it away before I put it in a hole

While i know there are to many deer. I also worry we have to many deer managers with out any ground to shoot on. I also worry why you keep banging the drum of we as a collective have a job to do. I don't have any job to do killing deer and will not loose sleep over a few extra deer on my public spaces. I can also tell you the local authority,s , NGO , and Nature reserves don't give a fig about deer. Now ask your self were did all these deer come from. Because when i was young deer were few and far between. They the government then planted 100,000s of acres of trees set aside regeneration. Amenity woods. At great expense with out putting in deer management plans now they are over run and they were told this would happen and didnt listen.

 

[Ratel]

Hi Ratel
Unfortunately there the only voice we have. What would you do sit back not challenge and say nothing ?


Chill

Whatever is said it won't make the slightest difference. I remember Richard Tice trying to get BASC and the CA to join forces, but BASC members voting against it. We need one big organisation not individual smaller ones, but then individuals would lose their nice little jobs. The American NRA is the way to go but self interests of each organisation would preclude that.

 

[south-nofolk-stalker]

While i know there are to many deer. I also worry we have to many deer managers with out any ground to shoot on. I also worry why you keep banging the drum of we as a collective have a job to do. I don't have any job to do killing deer and will not loose sleep over a few extra deer on my public spaces. I can also tell you the local authority,s , NGO , and Nature reserves don't give a fig about deer. Now ask your self were did all these deer come from. Because when i was young deer were few and far between. They the government then planted 100,000s of acres of trees set aside regeneration. Amenity woods. At great expense with out putting in deer management plans now they are over run and they were told this would happen and didnt listen.

Unfortunately, whilst I agree with what you’re saying, but you are thinking too much!

Stop worrying about what you have no control over just do the best you can and that’s all anyone can ever ask of anybody

 

[VSS]

Whatever is said it won't make the slightest difference. I remember Richard Tice trying to get BASC and the CA to join forces, but BASC members voting against it. We need one big organisation not individual smaller ones, but then individuals would lose their nice little jobs. The American NRA is the way to go but self interests of each organisation would preclude that.

Your're right. There's too much self interest and "one upmanship" between the organisations in this country for them ever to come together properly under one umbrella.

Example: BDS launched a bit of a campaign to align itself as the "go to" resource for all things deer in the UK (which it should be), and almost immediately BASC snatched the initiative and launched its National Register of Competent Stalkers. I hardly think that was a coincidence.

 

[Tikka 270]

We are going in circles here, let’s face it the reason why the deer are not being shot are down to poor price at the game dealers, people need to realise that they are not going to get Rich out of shooting deer!

I realised that I don’t know how many years ago, when one roe deer paid for my next box of bullets, and I think that was something like £15 or £20 that shows you how long ago.

The only way I can see the tonnage of venison that needs to be used or to get rid of the coin of phrase, is Give the bugger away stop worrying about money.

And if you can’t afford to give it away your surplus pack it in and make way for someone who can simple as that.

It really does infuriate me when people are chasing the best Game Dealer price, the best Game Dealer price ended about 5-7 years ago when Peterborough game stopped paying £2.80 per kilo collected for red deer. Now they were a good days!

Those days are gone and more than likely gone for good so what are you do?

We as a collective have a job to do so it’s best we get on with it and quit moaning about it and just just do the best we can to get rid of what we can buy anyway or means possible but I know one thing I’ll give it away before I put it in a hole

Continually seeing people say we aren't going to get rich out of shooting deer maybe not but there should be money to be made there, land owners /managers should be paying for the job to be done, even if it's in line with what game dealers used to pay for carcasses. There needs to be an incentive there if they require the numbers to be reduced properly. Plenty folk making a decent living or supplementing their income by doing contract work in Scotland.

 

[Ratel]

Your're right. There's too much self interest and "one upmanship" between the organisations in this country for them ever to come together properly under one umbrella.

Example: BDS launched a bit of a campaign to align itself as the "go to" resource for all things deer in the UK (which it should be), and almost immediately BASC snatched the initiative and launched its National Register of Competent Stalkers. I hardly think that was a coincidence.

Yes agreed but the BDS only set up their Woodland stalkers jobby after visits to look at the St Hubert Club training days. Although it was only a much simpler quick thing really by comparison.

 

[south-nofolk-stalker]

Continually seeing people say we aren't going to get rich out of shooting deer maybe not but there should be money to be made there, land owners /managers should be paying for the job to be done, even if it's in line with what game dealers used to pay for carcasses. There needs to be an incentive there if they require the numbers to be reduced properly. Plenty folk making a decent living or supplementing their income by doing contract work in Scotland.

In the 15-20 years I’ve shot more deer than what most people could dream of, and if 1 added up every penny that I’ve earnt including clients and then what I have spent I would be big time in the minus!

I’m by no means , I do not have fancy kit I will assure you, my rifle, last two rifles have been Ruger M 77 cost me no more than £300 my wife bought my binoculars 15 years ago, I’ve had my thermal well over five years, I’m on my second quad because I killed the first one, my cold room now has a mono block, which is now five years old that was £3K and I could keep going, those are costs you will never get back from running carcasses into the Game Dealer . I’ve given up trying!

I do what I do now to keep landowners. Happy to keep my FAC going. I am very fortunate that I don’t have to start an engine to go stalking or pay for my cold room to run if I did I’ve sold up a long time ago.

That’s just few facts of reality!

Those few friends I have on this forum will happily confirm this.

To be honest if there was a bounty on deer of £150+ a head I would come full-time out of semi retirement and get Fell in because that is worth the graft anything less and be brutally honest it’s not worth doing it’s just fun and games

Until I can get that kind of money or more I’ll just give them away.

 

[VSS]

In the 15-20 years I’ve shot more deer than what most people could dream of, and if 1 added up every penny that I’ve earnt including clients and then what I have spent I would be big time in the minus!

I’m by no means , I do not have fancy kit I will assure you, my rifle, last two rifles have been Ruger M 77 cost me no more than £300 my wife bought my binoculars 15 years ago, I’ve had my thermal well over five years, I’m on my second quad because I killed the first one, my cold room now has a mono block, which is now five years old that was £3K and I could keep going, those are costs you will never get back from running carcasses into the Game Dealer . I’ve given up trying!

I do what I do now to keep landowners. Happy to keep my FAC going. I am very fortunate that I don’t have to start an engine to go stalking or pay for my cold room to run if I did I’ve sold up a long time ago.

That’s just few facts of reality!

Those few friends I have on this forum will happily confirm this.

To be honest if there was a bounty on deer of £150+ a head I would come full-time out of semi retirement and get Fell in because that is worth the graft anything less and be brutally honest it’s not worth doing it’s just fun and games

Until I can get that kind of money or more I’ll just give them away.

It's so heartwarming to hear stories about people who's sole aim is to keep landowners happy at their own expense. As a landowner myself, I really appreciate that.