Shooting if you don't have your FAC with you

Okay, here's an extract from The Firearms Act 1968:

48 Production of certificates.E+W+S(1)A constable may demand, from any person whom he believes to be in possession of a firearm or ammunition to which section 1 of this Act applies, or of a shot gun, the production of his firearm certificate or, as the case may be, his shot gun certificate.
[F138(1A)Where a person upon whom a demand has been made by a constable under subsection (1) above and whom the constable believes to be in possession of a firearm fails—
(a)to produce a firearm certificate or, as the case may be, a shot gun certificate;
(b)to show that he is a person who, by reason of his place of residence or any other circumstances, is not entitled to be issued with a document identifying that firearm under any of the provisions which in the other member States correspond to the provisions of this Act for the issue of European firearms passes; or
(c)to show that he is in possession of the firearm exclusively in connection with the carrying on of activities in respect of which, he or the person on whose behalf he has possession of the firearm, is recognised, for the purposes of the law of another member State relating to firearms, as a collector of firearms or a body concerned in the cultural or historical aspects of weapons,
the constable may demand from that person the production of a document which has been issued to that person in another member State under any such corresponding provisions, identifies that firearm as a firearm to which it relates and is for the time being valid.]
(2)If a person upon whom a demand is made under this section fails to produce the certificate [F139or document] or to permit the constable to read it, or to show that he is entitled by virtue of this Act to have the firearm, ammunition or shot gun in his possession without holding a certificate, the constable may seize and detain the firearm, ammunition or shot gun and may require the person to declare to him immediately his name and address.
(3)If under this section a person is required to declare to a consta ble his name and address, it is an offence for him to refuse to declare it or to fail to give his true name and address.
[F140(4)It is an offence for a person who is in possession of a firearm to fail to comply with a demand under subsection (1A) above.]

So....To summarise, there is no law that says you have to have your certificates with you. But there is a law that says a Police Officer can require you to produce it. In practice, this rarely happens these days because it can be checked electronically. Like your driving documents. But if you are required to produce your driving documents, you get 7 days to do it. In practice, it is reasonable for someone to produce their firearm/shotgun certificate within a reasonable time too, although this isn't catered for in law, this is what happened in the past. But it is open to the officer to consider seizing your firearms under some circumstances if you can't produce your certificates and for whatever reason he can't check electronically.

As has also been said therefore, there are times and places when it may well be advisable to have your certificates, if not on you, close to hand (in the car, for example). But that is down to the individual and how they see their circumstances.

Hope that makes things clear. I'm off to the fridge for a tinny now.
 
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Considering Mine (Dorset ) is a A4 sheets of paper that's printed on a colour printer very much like the one next to me now there are no real anti fraud elements in it like a Driving licence or passport to make it difficult to forge even my picture is just a scan of the ones sent in and is inserted to the electronic copy before print

No Police officer is going to take it on face value Ever and WILL ring in and ask to be verified that the Police data base says I have a FAC for the kit Im carrying.
 
Considering Mine (Dorset ) is a A4 sheets of paper that's printed on a colour printer very much like the one next to me now there are no real anti fraud elements in it like a Driving licence or passport to make it difficult to forge even my picture is just a scan of the ones sent in and is inserted to the electronic copy before print

No Police officer is going to take it on face value Ever and WILL ring in and ask to be verified that the Police data base says I have a FAC for the kit Im carrying.


cant photocopy without "copy" coming up

or at least the last one I tried to copy did
 
I'm not sure if its an actual legal requirement, but I'd think its something that should be best practice for all shooters regardless of what they shoot.

Imagine if you were stopped by the police on the way to or from a shoot, had your gun but couldnt demonstrate you hold it legally - Even if the police didnt arrest you I would imagine they'd confiscate the gun until such time you could present your licence to show you do legally hold it.

I'd say theres probably even more case for carrying your licence if you're a lone stalker as you're probably more likely to have Granny Smith call the police because "Theres a man with a GUN!!" in a nearby field and then need to explain yourself, as opposed to someone shooting the Imperial match at Bisley with thousands of other people also all with guns!

And TBH if your FEO is saying its a legal requirement (even if that ultimately turns out to be incorrect to the exact letter of the law) it sounds like they would probably take a fairly dim view if you happened to be caught out without it, so probably best to take it with you to avoid any problems.

As long as have some form of ID to cross reference your be fine Well they could take a ''very dim view '' if one managed to lose it carrying about all the time :)
 
My understanding is that you have to be able to 'produce' it.

My FAC is in my safe at home, I only carry a copy in the field.
If requested by a Police Officer, I will be able to 'produce' it, but not immediately.
Anyway nowadays a car reg/address check will confirm to the Officer who I am and where I live, and that I have a valid FAC , so why would he want me to produce the original?
 
My understanding is that you have to be able to 'produce' it.

My FAC is in my safe at home, I only carry a copy in the field.
If requested by a Police Officer, I will be able to 'produce' it, but not immediately.
Anyway nowadays a car reg/address check will confirm to the Officer who I am and where I live, and that I have a valid FAC , so why would he want me to produce the original?

A perfectly good policy I think. Realistically you will only have to produce your certificate(s) if there's some sort of computer problem so they can't check that way, if you are using them in a jurisdiction that doesn't have access to that information (but even then, someone at the other end of a radio can use a 'phone and check with the issuing force) or, heaven forbid, they want you to produce it so they can take it off you because it's being cancelled!
 
Your all paranoid , and on the edge of madness, why would they have a dim view if you lost it ?, no one else can use it, they just give you a replacement, most police officers would not know what they are looking at anyway, but it could save you time if you had it with you.
Why the hell would you lock it in your safe, is it worth anything, if it was stolen do you think the thief is going to have a face transplant so he can use it ?
 
I carry what ever one is needed, I spend more time at night with the rifle well away from the truck so the cert and keys are zipped up in a inside pocket.

With all the cuts these days there are no local coppers who you know, (or know you) also a lot of land these days is owned by farms who will buy up ground and work it miles from there base.
I still see my local village copper who is know 80 walking his dog on one farm, he used to patrol the villages when we were still on push bikes to go ferreting.


Quite frankly I go out to enjoy myself which involves a process from texting the farmer, booking in on a club marsh, carrying the bear minimum of kit out stalking, hauling my pigeon gear or walking a good mile down the sea wall for the chance of a shot at a duck.

No one likes to be held up whether you are trying to get home on a Friday night after a long week, being stuck behind a caravan or a oap Sunday driver...

When you are out on your own crossing the marsh, out stalking, that is it, you have to look after yourself in what ever way you can, yes all the other checks do work but for me having a bit of paper which will get me on my way asap is no hardship...

Tim.243
 
Realistically you will only have to produce your certificate(s) if there's some sort of computer problem so they can't check that way,

Pedro i sugest you re-read your post #41 You must produce your FAC when requested to do so by a police officer if you say sorry i have not got with me the officer can confiscate your guns, how much clearer does it need to explained!!!
My FAC and SCG travel with me everytime i go shooting, they are in a plastic sleeve inside a leather wallet zipped up in a pocket on my gun bag.
If i loose it, big deal i ask for another whats the problem???

ian.
 
I have been in the position where the police have ran my name through the PNC many times and never asked for any licences. The number plate is all they need.
Without exception they have been courteous and interested in the activity and even cautioned a townie resident who called them every time i was out. I have zero time for those that are police paranoid, just smile and shake hands, they are on the side of those with nothing to hide.
 
I am with Ian here and carry mine always when out and in possession.

For the sole reason I don't want anyone chucking my kit about?

I too have been identified from my vehicle reg number by 6 members of the force dog section on a training jaunt in woodland so that worked too.
 
But are they competant to handle firearms ?

No.

However, if you are stopped by the police and they are unable to satisfy themselves that you hold a valid certificate then they may confiscate your firearms until you can produce your certificate.
 
Your all paranoid , and on the edge of madness, why would they have a dim view if you lost it ?, no one else can use it, they just give you a replacement, most police officers would not know what they are looking at anyway, but it could save you time if you had it with you.
Why the hell would you lock it in your safe, is it worth anything, if it was stolen do you think the thief is going to have a face transplant so he can use it ?
NO Taff not a face transplant just a photo transplant very easy
 
I have zero time for those that are police paranoid, just smile and shake hands they are on the side of those with nothing to hide.

What the hell has police paranoid and nothing to hide got to do with stating the actual law, regarding what can happen if you dont carry your actual FAC????

Ian
 
It may be what the nasty police bogey man can do in extreme cases but of the 16,000 members on here i wonder just how many times the full force has been applied? Oh yes they take your gun and throw it on a stack of others siezed scratching your pride and joy (not).
You can still be hung for sheep stealing up here but it is never applied.
 
But are they competant to handle firearms ?
Whether the police are competent to handle firearms, wasn't actually the question asked and is not relevant to your legal position.

It would be very interesting to know how many people on here in the last 5 years:
  1. Have had their licence checked while out shooting
  2. Have had the gun they were using at the time confiscated because they didn't have their certificate with them
 
It may be what the nasty police bogey man can do in extreme cases but of the 16,000 members on here i wonder just how many times the full force has been applied? Oh yes they take your gun and throw it on a stack of others siezed scratching your pride and joy (not).
You can still be hung for sheep stealing up here but it is never applied.

40+ YEARS open ticket never ever had a problem and always stood my ground ,,, many times with home office regs in one hand and ''still playing the win some lose some game '' tip'' always ask for more then you want ;)
 
The things are too big to carry around in any normal clothing and then they would get damaged/lost in rainstorms, shrub follow ups etc and leaving them in the car while shooting bothers me a lot , I just have photocopies left in the car. Only was ever checked once "and that was the usual neighbor being upset by bangs, when i was out pigeon shooting, safe and legal then they went away happy".
Martin
 
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