Should I buy a Steyr...?

neutron619

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Well then chaps: I'm meeting my FEO on Monday next and from the way he talks about "getting me off his list" and me "needing my ticket" I'm not expecting problems.

Whilst awaiting the bureaucracy to complete, I've done a bit of re-thinking regarding kit with very much appreciated advice from and conversation with one or two members here and re-thought some of what I want to do. Because of that, I think I'm pretty much ready for you all to [comment / express difference of opinion / take the **** / flame me] regarding the kit I describe below.

I've found and viewed a second-hand Steyr Luxus in .308 in what seems to be good condition. It's one of the older models, but it looks well cared for. It's nice and light, with attractive wood and a good high cheekpiece which should fit well. It comes with a Pecar 4-10x45 scope mounted, two magazines and sling and is priced at a bit less than £1000. On the basis of what I've learnt since I last made a post like this, I think that's reasonable, but I'd welcome some comments on whether it's a good deal or not.

Now the downsides: I'll want to put an AES (or other reasonably effective) moderator on there, which means getting it screw-cut and potentially losing the front ironsight, though I understand that can be re-set further up the barrel by a competent gunsmith. I had planned for an over-barrel moderator, so perhaps just having it taken off and leaving it is a better plan. Still, whatever I do, this will be extra cost on an already very stretched budget.

Second, I was also under the impression that the scope mounts were the "swing-off" type which would allow me to convert the rifle from scoped for deer to ironsights for boar without faffing or losing zero. Unfortunately, I appear to have got the two Steyr rifles I looked at on Saturday mixed up and this one doesn't have that feature. I look for versatility in all of my tools, guns or otherwise, so I was a bit disappointed when the dealer disabused me of the impression on the telephone earlier today and it does make me like the rifle slightly less.

The third "downside": whilst I can probably stretch to paying for moderator and gunsmith / re-proofing (may skip that last bit until I have more money, as I intend to keep the rifle long-term), there would be no money left to buy any reloading kit, which I was very much looking forward to getting into. I can probably cope without doing this for a bit whilst I save up the money for the required bits / pieces, but I was relying on it to satisfy my shooting interest a bit when I'm not actually out hunting, so - knowing how much enjoyment I'll get out of it when I start - it's hard to give up on the idea without careful thought.

Still - there we are. Comments on any or all of that are welcome. I've got 'til Saturday to decide whether to put a deposit down on the gun. I'm going for second look on Sat morning until which time RFD will hold it for me, but I can't ask him to hold it longer just so I can dither about it. It does look like a good deal of gun and scope for a reasonable amount of money though, so feel free to encourage or dissuade me.

Adam.
 
I love older Mannlicher rifles, but would not pay £1000 for the combo you described. I would also not cut it..
 
I love older Mannlicher rifles, but would not pay £1000 for the combo you described. I would also not cut it..
I agree. I wouldn't worry too much about the dealer not holding it for you, I think he will have that on the shelf for a while. By the time you have bought a moderator, had it threaded and reproofed and had the foresite refitted and regulated you will be looking at a very expensive setup. Everyone wants to go out and buy toys as soon as your FAC hits the doormat, thats only human nature, but if I was you I would bide my time and wait for a .308 set up comes up on here or guntrader, maybe even do a wanted add, see what people have?
 
A secondhand Steyr shouldn't cost you more than 500 or 600 pounds, no matter how well it has been looked after. You will get more bang for your buck by looking elsewhere !
 
I wouldn't worry about a moderator unless it is part of a condition for where you shoot. A rifle is far better balanced without one. I wouldn't put a thread on a nice old rifle like a luxus. There are some that have been tastefully done with invisible thread protectors though. With the rifle and a Pecar scope in good nick I guess the dealer could justify £750 - 850 but the market is slow at the moment so you will pick up deals if you wait for one to come along.
 
If it's in goood condition it's a lovely rifle, but as others have said, don't ruin it with a moderator....
 
To be honest pretty much every secondhand rifle I've ever seen in a shop has been overpriced, I don't mean any disrespect to the dealers, I know they have to make a living. The bottom line is this, there aren't any bargains anymore unless its between mates helping each other out. Lets face it, you aren't going to find a rifle at a boot fair!

I'm trying to sell a couple of firearms at the moment and its tough to know whether to cut the price to get them gone and lose a load of money or stick to the price that I think they are worth but stand a good chance of not selling them. I suppose thats just the nature of buying and selling.

The only firearms that tend to be bargains are custom jobs built for one person but then sold on when that person hits hard times, even then its only a bargain if it's exactly what you want.
 
To be honest pretty much every secondhand rifle I've ever seen in a shop has been overpriced, I don't mean any disrespect to the dealers, I know they have to make a living. The bottom line is this, there aren't any bargains anymore unless its between mates helping each other out. Lets face it, you aren't going to find a rifle at a boot fair!

I'm trying to sell a couple of firearms at the moment and its tough to know whether to cut the price to get them gone and lose a load of money or stick to the price that I think they are worth but stand a good chance of not selling them. I suppose thats just the nature of buying and selling.

The only firearms that tend to be bargains are custom jobs built for one person but then sold on when that person hits hard times, even then its only a bargain if it's exactly what you want.

So you're basically saying that unless I buy privately, I'm going to have to pay a premium regardless? Would any of the friendly "trade members" be willing to offer a view on this?

Also, just so I have an idea, could anyone comment as to where the Pecar scopes come in the hierarchy of Zeiss / Swaro' etc. down through to Deben / Hawke? I'd like to know what they might be considered comparable to, as I'd not heard of them before I saw this rifle.

Thanks for all of your thoughts - much appreciated.
 
Adam

Rifles are like cars. You pour money into them and get very little back. Much better to take your time and walk away from this one. Drive a very hard bargain, because some rifles hang around for years and years. Keep in mind that any customisation will diminish the value of the rifle to everyone except you.

Have fun, but buying rifles is an expensive caper. Selling them again is a painful caper. Buy in haste and repent at leisure.

Guntrader lists 124 .308s using my saved search.

Regards

JCS
 
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So you're basically saying that unless I buy privately, I'm going to have to pay a premium regardless? Would any of the friendly "trade members" be willing to offer a view on this? Also, just so I have an idea, could anyone comment as to where the Pecar scopes come in the hierarchy of Zeiss / Swaro' etc. down through to Deben / Hawke? I'd like to know what they might be considered comparable to, as I'd not heard of them before I saw this rifle. Thanks for all of your thoughts - much appreciated.

Pecar were top of their game when they were producing scopes. Don't know which scope you are looking at buying but you would probably get £300+ for it if you chose to sell it. I would then buy a 6x42 in a swaro or S+B as I prefer them. I've done some work helping a friend who is an RFD. There are some that will do you a good deal but you have to bear in mind that depending on what price they bought the rifle in at will depend on how much they have to work with. They have to run a business.
 
Rifles are like cars. You pour money into them and get very little back. Much better to take your time and walk away from this one. Drive a very hard bargain, because some rifles hang around for years and years. Keep in mind that any customisation will diminish the value of the rifle to everyone except you.

Have fun, but buying rifles is an expensive caper. Selling them again is a painful caper. Buy in haste and repent at leisure.

JCS,

I hear what you're saying, but how would you view this in the context of the rifle perhaps having a working life with me of 20 years? I'm not a professional deer manager and I'm about to have my first child, live on one salary and generally exist in straitened times, so it's going to be a long time before I put 1000 rounds through this or any other rifle, let alone shoot it out completely. In that respect and without a view to buying any more rifles soon (in spite of my previous questions), would you view it as a reasonable investment? By that, I mean, that, like a car, it will eventually go beyond the point at which it has any resale value, so customisation might not be such a huge problem?

Given that another poster has just labelled Pecar scopes the "top of their game", I would estimate the cost of the rifle to be around £700, if the scope is worth £300.

Adam.
 
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Well then chaps: I'm meeting my FEO on Monday next and from the way he talks about "getting me off his list" and me "needing my ticket" I'm not expecting problems.

Whilst awaiting the bureaucracy to complete, I've done a bit of re-thinking regarding kit with very much appreciated advice from and conversation with one or two members here and re-thought some of what I want to do. Because of that, I think I'm pretty much ready for you all to [comment / express difference of opinion / take the **** / flame me] regarding the kit I describe below.

I've found and viewed a second-hand Steyr Luxus in .308 in what seems to be good condition. It's one of the older models, but it looks well cared for. It's nice and light, with attractive wood and a good high cheekpiece which should fit well. It comes with a Pecar 4-10x45 scope mounted, two magazines and sling and is priced at a bit less than £1000. On the basis of what I've learnt since I last made a post like this, I think that's reasonable, but I'd welcome some comments on whether it's a good deal or not.

Now the downsides: I'll want to put an AES (or other reasonably effective) moderator on there, which means getting it screw-cut and potentially losing the front ironsight, though I understand that can be re-set further up the barrel by a competent gunsmith. I had planned for an over-barrel moderator, so perhaps just having it taken off and leaving it is a better plan. Still, whatever I do, this will be extra cost on an already very stretched budget.

Second, I was also under the impression that the scope mounts were the "swing-off" type which would allow me to convert the rifle from scoped for deer to ironsights for boar without faffing or losing zero. Unfortunately, I appear to have got the two Steyr rifles I looked at on Saturday mixed up and this one doesn't have that feature. I look for versatility in all of my tools, guns or otherwise, so I was a bit disappointed when the dealer disabused me of the impression on the telephone earlier today and it does make me like the rifle slightly less.

The third "downside": whilst I can probably stretch to paying for moderator and gunsmith / re-proofing (may skip that last bit until I have more money, as I intend to keep the rifle long-term), there would be no money left to buy any reloading kit, which I was very much looking forward to getting into. I can probably cope without doing this for a bit whilst I save up the money for the required bits / pieces, but I was relying on it to satisfy my shooting interest a bit when I'm not actually out hunting, so - knowing how much enjoyment I'll get out of it when I start - it's hard to give up on the idea without careful thought.

Still - there we are. Comments on any or all of that are welcome. I've got 'til Saturday to decide whether to put a deposit down on the gun. I'm going for second look on Sat morning until which time RFD will hold it for me, but I can't ask him to hold it longer just so I can dither about it. It does look like a good deal of gun and scope for a reasonable amount of money though, so feel free to encourage or dissuade me.

Adam.

I have a classic half stock with pecar 3-10x45 and sling.

​Pm me if you want to discuss the pros and cons.
 
Feller the one i had and others shot well, but before you buy it have a look around on say guntrader etc at other makes also the monte carlo stock its for every one, the one in Cambridgeshire looks well used for £995 for that sort of cash i would't any lads nr you that have others like remintong old type 700, tika new are around that price howa see if any deals for combo's are to be found like this one.Howa 1500 Stainless .308 Rifle for sale | GunStar.


Make: HOWA, Model: 1500 Stainless, Condition: NEW, Calibre: 308, Type: BOLT ACTION, Handed: R/H, Price: £ 899.00. Complete with Nielsen Sonic sound moderator, Nikko Stirling 3-12x56 Diamond scope fitted with Picatinny rails and weaver style rings. (trade)
Please note that you will need a Firearm - Section 1 licence to purchase this item.


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http://www.gunstar.co.uk/Donaldson'...aspx?acc=934226bb-c87a-4b2d-9fd5-f6a4c4900e39

ps i don't use or know this gun shop but if thay can do a deal others your way can mty , the howa is a nice package to start out with .
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Adam, assuming the rifle on Guntrader is the one in question, it is over priced. Pecar were a great scope, 30 years ago.

That said, that is a decent rifle with a very good set of mounts. I would offer him £650 or thereabouts and let him keep the scope.

Alternatively you can pick up a decent used Sako for similar sort of money. Good lightly used rifles turn up all the time.

I would investigate this one:

http://www.guntrader.co.uk/Guns-For-Sale/Sako_Rifle_L579_For-Sale_130815131140001
 
now that looks nice for an old girl
why not have a look at the 308 for sale by bunnyboom on the site ?


Adam, assuming the rifle on Guntrader is the one in question, it is over priced. Pecar were a great scope, 30 years ago.

That said, that is a decent rifle with a very good set of mounts. I would offer him £650 or thereabouts and let him keep the scope.

Alternatively you can pick up a decent used Sako for similar sort of money. Good lightly used rifles turn up all the time.

I would investigate this one:

http://www.guntrader.co.uk/Guns-For-Sale/Sako_Rifle_L579_For-Sale_130815131140001
 
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Not for one minute saying that dealers are ripping people off, if they don't make a profit then they go belly up and we all lose out. But, of course you will be paying a premium over a private sale just the same as you would with a car.

Pecar scopes were very good in there day, I have one sitting here on the shelf. Some models didn't have centred reticules so when zeroed the cross may not be in the middle but you get used to that.
 
One thing that puts me off Mannlichers is the difficulty rebarreling them. I think the package you have described was state of the art back then. I would look round for a Sako, Tikka or semi custom to be honest. It's a buyers market
 
Whatever you buy, buy one you actually like the look and feel of, don't rush as it's a pain in the wallet to correct, as well as having to do the one for one thing.
Buying rifles you don't actually like no matter the price is not good for the soul, if such thing are important to you.
I know first hand what it's like to buy an expensive rifle that ticks all the boxes for the important things, but don't enjoy using or owning :doh:

Neil. :)
 
Whatever you buy, buy one you actually like the look and feel of, don't rush as it's a pain in the wallet to correct, as well as having to do the one for one thing.
Buying rifles you don't actually like no matter the price is not good for the soul, if such thing are important to you.
I know first hand what it's like to buy an expensive rifle that ticks all the boxes for the important things, but don't enjoy using or owning :doh:

Neil. :)

Neil

Really intrigued by your last sentence, please tell us more as I am perusing some expensive options in .243 and .308

thanks
 
Not for one minute saying that dealers are ripping people off,

OK I will say it
MANY OF THEM ARE!!

if not tell me how there is a justifiable mark up on the dealer selling a rifle they took in Part Ex, giving lets say £300 for off the retail price of a new rifle (which already has a hefty margin)
lets for argument sake say the rifle you bought was £1200
you paid £900
lets speculate that the margin they are working to is 30% (that is me generous to the dealer)
thats a £923 trade price

so to make the same money on this deal as he would if he had just sold the new rifle for cash he has to flip your old one for what he paid you for it
i.e. £300
in fact that nets them an extra £23!!

now you tell me he is not taking the **** by putting a £300 rifle I can get privately on the shelves for £700!?

Don't get me wrong if you can do it and offer the added value of warranties, checks and guarantees then I would be all in.
but as it stands the industry needs a bit of a shake up IMO

there are literally 1000's of absolute bargains out there for buyers looking for a 2nd hand rifle
it is most definitely a buyers market

308's are very unlikely to be "shot out" (or any other rifle for that matter!)
have a look in the classifieds here, Pigeonwatch, UKV, even BBS and then look at the Private sales on Gunstar, Guntrader.

then go shopping armed with market knowledge

you won't get £1000 of service and value out of the rifle you describe IMO
it would have to be MINT with a scope that comes with its original box for me to part with that

£1669 gets you a new one with a scope and if you walked in with cash you could probably come away with some discount or goodies to boot:

http://www.sportsmanguncentre.co.uk/product/114c2b356a634ae663604497/Steyr+Mannlicher+Luxus+COMBO/
 
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