silencer explosion

Conh

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i brought a new roedale segmented silencer to go on my .243 tikka and thought it was great due to it being so small , light and quiet. however , a chap i go lamping with had the same mod on his tikka .270 and after about 50 shots he said he fired a shot only to hear a loud bang and see half of his silencer flying down the feild. after this happend he sent it back and got another silencer of a differant make to replace it. we just put it down to it being a fualty mod but about a month later i shot a fox and also had half of my silencer go flying 50 yard down the feild. the silencers are segmented and came apart between segments . Anyway , i now have a new Jet-Z silencer and havnt experianced any problems with it. has anyone else had any trouble with roedale mods ??
 

MONGOOSE

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i brought a new roedale segmented silencer to go on my .243 tikka and thought it was great due to it being so small , light and quiet. however , a chap i go lamping with had the same mod on his tikka .270 and after about 50 shots he said he fired a shot only to hear a loud bang and see half of his silencer flying down the feild. after this happend he sent it back and got another silencer of a differant make to replace it. we just put it down to it being a fualty mod but about a month later i shot a fox and also had half of my silencer go flying 50 yard down the feild. the silencers are segmented and came apart between segments . Anyway , i now have a new Jet-Z silencer and havnt experianced any problems with it. has anyone else had any trouble with roedale mods ??

Thats not good mate glad nobody was hurt were they both purchased around the same time? I no somebody with one and has had no problems with them though myself refuse to buy any of his products, did you manage to take some pictures of either mod? be interesting to see some pictures of them to see if there is anything obvious.....
 

Bos en Dal Safaris

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I cant say i have experianced something like that but i would think that your hart may have skipped a beat as this happened. I would say this can be dangerous to to the person shooting and might also do some damage to you rifle? In my opinion the supplier should with draw all those models and replace them for the clients

Good luck guys
 

Conh

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i didnt think to take pictures and luckily noone was hurt. it didnt damage the threading on the rifles as the part of the moderator attached to the threading stayed on the rifle , the silencer concists of about five segments screwed together and it was the end 3 that got blown off down the feild. when we inspected it afterwoulds all the threading holding the segments together had been sheared off. however , if twice as much threading was used this probably wouldnt happen as their current model is held together using verry little thread.
 

MONGOOSE

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i didnt think to take pictures and luckily noone was hurt. it didnt damage the threading on the rifles as the part of the moderator attached to the threading stayed on the rifle , the silencer concists of about five segments screwed together and it was the end 3 that got blown off down the feild. when we inspected it afterwoulds all the threading holding the segments together had been sheared off. however , if twice as much threading was used this probably wouldnt happen as their current model is held together using verry little thread.

Sounds very similar to my CMM4 moderator minus the explosion of course......
 

Tom D

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So was this caused by the bullet striking part of the internals, combustion within the mod itself or simply the gas pressure?
 

ejg

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i didnt think to take pictures and luckily noone was hurt. it didnt damage the threading on the rifles as the part of the moderator attached to the threading stayed on the rifle , the silencer concists of about five segments screwed together and it was the end 3 that got blown off down the feild. when we inspected it afterwoulds all the threading holding the segments together had been sheared off. however , if twice as much threading was used this probably wouldnt happen as their current model is held together using verry little thread.

Would you have a close up picture of the stripped threads?
Was it the Alu ultra light version? Are you sure the newer versions have less thread?

I have one of the very early experimental alu mods, long before they were on the market and remember the threads got beefed up
on production versions. I am still using the experimantal one for all my deer shooting with a 308. So far so good.

In the past we had larger numbers of Roedale alu mods going through our workshop and never heard of one comming apart. Then again
I might not have had the latest version.
I'll be meeting Pete Lincoln from Roedale on Friday and will have a chat about it.

edi
 

buckup

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I seem to remember this happened to Roedinator at the Monmouth range day a couple of years back. I don't remember the brand of moderator he was using. Might be worth a quick pm to him.
 

Claret_Dabbler

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I've had one for ages with no bother at all.

I have heard about delivery problems with Roedale, but never quality problems such as this.
 

MONGOOSE

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I've had one for ages with no bother at all.

I have heard about delivery problems with Roedale, but never quality problems such as this.

Dont no about delivery problems but Pete roedale is one of the most untrustworthy people in the business that's for sure wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him......
 

Ranger22

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Here's a T8 that let go. Al
 

PeteinDE

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Gentlemen. surely the correct procedure for a claim under warranty due to failure of any item is to contact the distributor and manufacturer directly.? rather than have a moan on the forums?
It find it strange then, that no one has contacted us about the above stated problems and I would hasten to add that we would be very interested in fully investigating any failures with our Delta Moderators. We stand 100% behind our moderators and would appreciate any feed back, be it positive or negative. I'd hasten to add that moderators sold by Sportsman in the UK are subjected to the UK Proof as a matter of course.

Through several thousand produced moderators to date we have not had a single failure that wasn't tracable down to user error. I know of one case of failure that is on its way back to us via Sportsman and i strongly suspect the cause will come down to operator error but can't pass comment until we recieve it.

The usual cause of catastrophic bafflestack separation is bullet strike, this comes down to 1 of 3 things,

1. either the moderator used was of a smaller caliber bore than the projectile
2. the barrel threading bieng off causing projectile strike ( this would have usualy been noticed after a few shots due to erratic accuracy)
3. moderator not tightened correctly to barrel thread shooting loose during firing thus allowing the bore of the moderator to go out of line with the axis of the rifle bore causing projectile strike.

I know of a small number of moderators that have failed proof ( under qty 8 ) due to bullet strike or separation, which i however do strongly suspect is down to the proof house not having tightened the moderator onto thier proof rifle, or having fired a too large projectile through a smaller caliber moderator bore.

If anyone has any issues, feedback or requires and information on our moderators please feel free to contact me directly on info@roedale.de

thankyou and best regards Pete
 

Ranger22

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Redlab, the mod got checked over. There was no sign of bullet strike or anything like that. The actual cause was never found as far as i'm aware. Just give them a good visual check now and again, i personally spay the outside of mine with gun oil and then put the neoprene cover on. No rust so far, the internals get a squirt of WD 40 and seem to be fine

Al
 

pheasant sniper 1

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Gentlemen. surely the correct procedure for a claim under warranty due to failure of any item is to contact the distributor and manufacturer directly.? rather than have a moan on the forums?

With respect Pete, the op gave others the opportunity to express wether they had experienced any similar problems and a usefull debate

If you consider this moaning on a forum where we collectively help each other then your sadly mistaken

Atb

Terry
 

MONGOOSE

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Gentlemen. surely the correct procedure for a claim under warranty due to failure of any item is to contact the distributor and manufacturer directly.? rather than have a moan on the forums?

With respect Pete, the op gave others the opportunity to express wether they had experienced any similar problems and a usefull debate

If you consider this moaning on a forum where we collectively help each other then your sadly mistaken

Atb

Terry

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Conh

Well-Known Member
Would you have a close up picture of the stripped threads?
Was it the Alu ultra light version? Are you sure the newer versions have less thread?

I have one of the very early experimental alu mods, long before they were on the market and remember the threads got beefed up
on production versions. I am still using the experimantal one for all my deer shooting with a 308. So far so good.

In the past we had larger numbers of Roedale alu mods going through our workshop and never heard of one comming apart. Then again
I might not have had the latest version.
I'll be meeting Pete Lincoln from Roedale on Friday and will have a chat about it.

edi

i would be interested to see if pete has herd of any others doing the same thing , i just think that if he incrased the amount of thread between sections it would solve the problem.
 

Conh

Well-Known Member
Gentlemen. surely the correct procedure for a claim under warranty due to failure of any item is to contact the distributor and manufacturer directly.? rather than have a moan on the forums?
It find it strange then, that no one has contacted us about the above stated problems and I would hasten to add that we would be very interested in fully investigating any failures with our Delta Moderators. We stand 100% behind our moderators and would appreciate any feed back, be it positive or negative. I'd hasten to add that moderators sold by Sportsman in the UK are subjected to the UK Proof as a matter of course.

Through several thousand produced moderators to date we have not had a single failure that wasn't tracable down to user error. I know of one case of failure that is on its way back to us via Sportsman and i strongly suspect the cause will come down to operator error but can't pass comment until we recieve it.

The usual cause of catastrophic bafflestack separation is bullet strike, this comes down to 1 of 3 things,

1. either the moderator used was of a smaller caliber bore than the projectile
2. the barrel threading bieng off causing projectile strike ( this would have usualy been noticed after a few shots due to erratic accuracy)
3. moderator not tightened correctly to barrel thread shooting loose during firing thus allowing the bore of the moderator to go out of line with the axis of the rifle bore causing projectile strike.

I know of a small number of moderators that have failed proof ( under qty 8 ) due to bullet strike or separation, which i however do strongly suspect is down to the proof house not having tightened the moderator onto thier proof rifle, or having fired a too large projectile through a smaller caliber moderator bore.

If anyone has any issues, feedback or requires and information on our moderators please feel free to contact me directly on info@roedale.de

thankyou and best regards Pete

im terribly sorry if you thought i was moaning about your products but i was just asking wether anybody else had experianced the saime or simular problems. as for you only getting one mod sent back to you this will shortly become three as i know the supplyer who i purchased the moderator off of will be sending my and my friends faulty silcencers back to you so you will be able to see with your own eyes that there is no bullet strike on the silencer. as for the silencer being off the wrong caliber for my rifle , im not stupid , i checked before parting with over £200 that it was of the right size. Also my rifles threading is not off as the accuracy was fine. finally , the silencer wasnt loose , when in use i regularily check my silencer is tight. therefor i hope you can understand why i was abit shocked when the silencer blew apart and how it can only be down to a fualt in desighn and/or manufacture. please do not try and blame these faulty silencers on operator error.
Thanks , Connor
 

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