The Nissan X-Trail expansion at Sunderland was to build diesel versions of that platform. I strongly suspect the slump in diesel sales would have been the death knell for that project independent of any political repositioning. That plus global downturn per #1487.
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The Nissan X-Trail expansion at Sunderland was to build diesel versions of that platform. I strongly suspect the slump in diesel sales would have been the death knell for that project independent of any political repositioning. That plus global downturn per #1487.
enfieldspares
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I think that you are mostly correct ZAMBEZI...nevertheless Nissan themselves have stated that uncertainty over Brexit was, even so, a factor not helping Nissan's future investment planning.
"In a letter to workers, Nissan Europe chairman Gianluca de Ficchy said much had changed since the Japanese firm announced plans to build a new Qashqai and X-Trail in the UK in October 2016.
As well as changing diesel emissions regulations and a slump in sales, the "announcement will be interpreted by a lot of people as a decision related to Brexit," Mr de Ficchy said.
"We have taken this decision for the business reasons I've explained, but clearly the uncertainty around the UK's future relationship with the EU is not helping companies like ours to plan for the future.""
"In a letter to workers, Nissan Europe chairman Gianluca de Ficchy said much had changed since the Japanese firm announced plans to build a new Qashqai and X-Trail in the UK in October 2016.
As well as changing diesel emissions regulations and a slump in sales, the "announcement will be interpreted by a lot of people as a decision related to Brexit," Mr de Ficchy said.
"We have taken this decision for the business reasons I've explained, but clearly the uncertainty around the UK's future relationship with the EU is not helping companies like ours to plan for the future.""
Bavarianbrit
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Two shifts at 350 workers per shift, sounds about right to me with all the JIT fork lift drivers, canteen, stores, maintenance etc involved.
I know guns are not allowed in Parliament but how about just allowing a starting pistol to get them up off the blocks?
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I know guns are not allowed in Parliament but how about just allowing a starting pistol to get them up off the blocks?
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Whatever our position on Brexit, in this we are united: The politicians of all hues and persuasions have failed to navigate this sea change in our relationship with Europe. And that is unforgivable. As spoken previously, politics should be the art of the possible. To have utterly failed to broker anything vaguely approaching a workable deal in a two year period is utterly damning. This crop of politicians have failed muster.
Woodsmoke
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That's for sure! Utterly abysmal performance. I know of no other employment that would allow anyone to continue in their role following such a pathetic display of complete and utter incompetence
mchughcb
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Typically 6 years. You know occasionally there are politicians that get stuff done quickly. You know how fast Trump lowered US company tax once he got into office. After 3 presidents bumbling about border security this one in a few months is going to get it built.
If someone needs a free trade agreement outside the EU fast 6 years means they are not serious or completely incompetent in negotiating.
Freeforester
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"Id have the democratically elected EU commission?"
Indeed! By all means, feel free then, to make any arrangements to go fill your boots, however the democratically determined result in the country decided against your perfectly legitimately held view; assuming you are advocating democracy, then perhaps we should give democracy it's way, or does this somehow not accord with your own 'interests'?
Hornet 6
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No investment has been cut to the point it is almost at zero since our government put a date to the end of the internal combustion powered car.
Why invest in a euro compliant engine for the future when there isnt much of a future left, the cars we have now will last another 10 years.
Also as we wont be in the eu we can use whatever engine we need till the day we all swap our cars to a gold cart.
Neil.
Woodsmoke
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Our government can't even be trusted to stick to the date at which we're supposed to leave the EU, let alone come up with a viable alternative to the internal combustion engine. It'd be laughable if it wasn't so pathetic
I think you are quite right Hornet and Woodsmoke
Combustion engined cars are yesterdays tech with perhaps 15 years to run (a guess)
2nd hand car market is awash with cars that will last long past then
EU is restricting emissions so many bigger models are going to struggle to be sold
Nissan is probably moving production closer to its main future market - however it is very convenient to make such an announcement now and disguise a business decision as one made because of Brexit
I.e '' Not our fault Gov''
From all I've read the electric car as a vehicle for the masses is a non starter - there just are not enough of the trace elements needed for the batteries on the planet to cope with the demand and they cannot be recycled to be used again
There is a bigger and inevitable truth for which there is no current answer
1. Our current world economic models don't really work
2. To disguise their inherent dysfunction there must be continued growth and inflation
3. There are not the resources in the planet for continued growth indefinitely
At some point the wheels fall off
Combustion engined cars are yesterdays tech with perhaps 15 years to run (a guess)
2nd hand car market is awash with cars that will last long past then
EU is restricting emissions so many bigger models are going to struggle to be sold
Nissan is probably moving production closer to its main future market - however it is very convenient to make such an announcement now and disguise a business decision as one made because of Brexit
I.e '' Not our fault Gov''
From all I've read the electric car as a vehicle for the masses is a non starter - there just are not enough of the trace elements needed for the batteries on the planet to cope with the demand and they cannot be recycled to be used again
There is a bigger and inevitable truth for which there is no current answer
1. Our current world economic models don't really work
2. To disguise their inherent dysfunction there must be continued growth and inflation
3. There are not the resources in the planet for continued growth indefinitely
At some point the wheels fall off
At last! Someone thinks as I do.
Orion
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I was listening to the news, BBC R4 IIRC, when the Nissan announcement was made. The reasons given for X-Trail production to not be commenced in Sunderland were given as per this release from the company:
“Gianluca de Ficchy said the decision was a mixture of investment needed for emissions regulations and reduced sales forecasts but added uncertainty over Brexit had also played a part.”
It was very instructive how, over the course of the next few hours, the spin machine cranked itself up and ignored the first two reasons given and focused almost exclusively on Brexit being the deciding factor! The labour MP for the area totally ignored any questions to the contrary, and twisted every answer towards Brexit , and subsequent interviewers adopted the same stance. I don’t particularly like Jacob R-M but he did give a masterclass performance in explaining to one thick interviewer how the just-in-time system works in relation to the U.K. motor industry and imports from around the world.
Who says comedy is dead?
Load of tosh. Just spoken to ex director of well know car builders, JLR planned to make in checkoslovakia 6 years ago. Nissan have been planning their latest move since well before Brexit. He assured me car builders plan at least 5 years in advance. Just shows how much remoaners are prepared to believe
Bavarianbrit
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First time I must agree with you.
We should perhaps vote Noel Edmonds into the government as he is the deal/no deal expert.
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oowee
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CZ ceased to be in 1989
Nissans UK investment is so much more than car assembly.
A lot of work was done to secure Nissans power r&d facilities in UK (Cranfield) which started back in 2006. This work Included agree government ev subsidys, UK wide charging infrastructure, university trials, charging standards and battery reuse options, to reduce depreciation costs. This in turn secured Leaf manufacture for the UK. All in advance of hydrogen trials as part of a long term working relationship. So much loss of face for both sides its not looking good. Where next with Honda.
If we are running out of resources and the old world model of growth is unsustainable then surely now is the time for big co-operation models of world governance that can set standards and push for global change? Something like the EU.
Bavarianbrit
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I worked for Tesla a few years ago and the amount of pressure I saw from the big three US makers against their method of selling cars was amazing.
They are not the whole answer of course but petro/cars will have to be a dying breed.
Then on top the blinkered gov"s planning on importing more food into the UK to adjust for the imbalance of production vs consumption can only function while heavy oil is freely available.
What after it runs out? Yeah - we will all be gone but the future of the planet needs a plan starting now that will work for them. Mirrors in space? etc.
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They are not the whole answer of course but petro/cars will have to be a dying breed.
Then on top the blinkered gov"s planning on importing more food into the UK to adjust for the imbalance of production vs consumption can only function while heavy oil is freely available.
What after it runs out? Yeah - we will all be gone but the future of the planet needs a plan starting now that will work for them. Mirrors in space? etc.
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None of us on here are so very different
We might have different interpretations of modern politics but , fundamentally, we are on this forum because we are hunters
Independent, adventurous and make our own opportunities (at least as much is possible in this suffocating world)
'So' (borrowing from the title) - we are all not so very different
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