Once again, no reasonable reply
No questions about my marksmanship here, they just don't work and that's been backed by many
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No questions about my marksmanship here, they just don't work and that's been backed by many
Leec6.5
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All comes to the point, have you personally shot them or are you going on what you have been told?Once again, no reasonable reply
No questions about my marksmanship here, they just don't work and that's been backed by many
Apparently copper bullets dont kill if you listen to the experts, personally i have a massive pile of empties that say different.
But each to their own and see what the not too distant future brings.
No, I can happily say I've tried a couple of brands of lead free pellets and the ones tried (in 3 different air rifles) haven't shot well whatsoever. The best I could get was the Prometheus and after 15 yards it was pointless
Smellydog
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Prometheus just about work in low power air guns. But are still useless terminally.
Leec6.5
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Not these days, not got the time!For a few reasons, I doubt they do very much...
i am more semi retired, i would rather go fishing to be honest!
But i have done enough, after the first 1000 you dont even think about it.
I suspect that @palmer_mike , the OP, might have some skin in this game, if he is still working for the last supplier of obscure cartridge chamberings for nitro-express rifles from the last century.
Which is all good, laudable even, but it would be an awful shame if that esoteric business was bolloxed up by petty bureaucracy.
Although even that could move with the times.
Bismuth, albeit slightly less dense than lead, might be a possible bullet core material, albeit pricy, for esoteric applications, where price of raw materials is not the main driver. AFAIK it is unique amongst heavy metals in having no observed toxicity, but there again, how much study has gone into looking at it, there is not a lot of it about, really.
However it isn't going to flow and expand like lead, no matter how it is alloyed. It will behave pretty much like a solid.
BTW bismuth prices are at almost a World time low, not that there is really much supply, it is mostly a by-product of virgin lead mining, mostly in China, and there is little industrial use for it otherwise. However I do not expect the price to fall if there is increasing demand, far from it.
Which is all good, laudable even, but it would be an awful shame if that esoteric business was bolloxed up by petty bureaucracy.
Although even that could move with the times.
Bismuth, albeit slightly less dense than lead, might be a possible bullet core material, albeit pricy, for esoteric applications, where price of raw materials is not the main driver. AFAIK it is unique amongst heavy metals in having no observed toxicity, but there again, how much study has gone into looking at it, there is not a lot of it about, really.
However it isn't going to flow and expand like lead, no matter how it is alloyed. It will behave pretty much like a solid.
BTW bismuth prices are at almost a World time low, not that there is really much supply, it is mostly a by-product of virgin lead mining, mostly in China, and there is little industrial use for it otherwise. However I do not expect the price to fall if there is increasing demand, far from it.
Think again. They are all useless for any discerning purpose. Except maybe for blatting rats at really close range, even then rather weak.
StephenToast
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I don't need to think again - I use the RWS tin pellets through a BSA lightning to shoot rabbits and pigeons etc around farm buildings and machinery. They are fine for this at approx 30-40yds which is what I was doing with the lead BSA pellets I was using before.
All I had to do was adjust my scope a couple of clicks and start shooting them.
Leec6.5
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What we have here is the classic, 1 man says yes , masses say no situation!
Having been in the 1 man situation many years my advice is carry on and let the masses find their own solutions!
You can lead a horse to water …….
Smellydog
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Ahhr but did the horses water come through a lead pipe?!!What we have here is the classic, 1 man says yes , masses say no situation!
Having been in the 1 man situation many years my advice is carry on and let the masses find their own solutions!
You can lead a horse to water …….
Leec6.5
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Then you get a comment like this, which is as funny as a kick in the bolloks
Smellydog
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So 1 brand in 1 rifle for a single person works well yet the rest say it's bollocks? I think you're chatting out of your behind...off your high horse and smell smell the coffee man
Leec6.5
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Well there is a very simple solution, instead of relying on others to do your homework, dig deep and work your way through them until you find something that works, just like the rest of us have done in one way or another!
In the beginning of when i first started loading barnes bullets, It cost me an absolute fortune, well i over £100 probably nearer £200 to get them to shoot in my 6.5x55, but 270 was a doddle!
Now looking back i am bloody glad i did persevere with it, because now i am reaping the rewards from what i learnt, while others laughed and thought i was crazy
Tried enough to make me not bother anymore... In 3 different air rifles, 1 that would shoot literally anything tooWell there is a very simple solution, instead of relying on others to do your homework, dig deep and work your way through them until you find something that works, just like the rest of us have done in one way or another!
In the beginning of when i first started loading barnes bullets, It cost me an absolute fortune, well i over £100 probably nearer £200 to get them to shoot in my 6.5x55, but 270 was a doddle!
Now looking back i am bloody glad i did persevere with it, because now i am reaping the rewards from what i learnt, while others laughed and thought i was crazy
The only Rws pellet I found to work was the Superdome and they worked a treat.
Squirrelbasher
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Regarding non lead airgun pellets, I intend to try different brands, expensive as they are. But unless I’m entirely happy with their overall performance, I won’t be attempting to shoot them at live quarry, and if that’s the case, I shouldn’t be expected to by law, and that would be irresponsible of those who might make that law. That’s just my opinion though but there ‘tis........and I think it’s a fair argument against it? Unfortunately, common sense isn’t as common as it should be.....
StephenToast
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The rest? The rest who? You and Smellydog? Oh right yeah you are both clearly extremely reliable sources!!
Maybe get off your high horse and start actually using the stuff you are disparaging. I have and I have found that it works and people like you, on here who clearly do **** all don't actually have a clue what they are talking about and are just repeating things they heard off someone else.
Another well structured come back I see...
You will find I am an extremely reliable source, my job title says so...
I'm not on a high horse, I've put together various bits that aren't available but you dismiss them constantly. As already stated, I use steel shot through my shotgun so there's one thing I've already changed
Again, why would I pick a bullet to use when they've been shown not to expand reliably at range? I shoot at range so it doesn't work... So why buy it?
There isn't 22lr subs in lead free so I can't use those either, they don't exist?
Lead free pellets didn't work for me using 3 different air rifles, I also went on to say the superdomes by rws were great but that's the only good pellets they do.
Again, off your high horse and pay attention to what people are saying because up to now you clearly haven't
Under your bridge and pipe down
They're shocking mate. Whether you use the tin one or Prometheus, pointless using on any living critter over 5 yards. Clearly Stephen toast has his range finding abilities way out and this 30 yards was actually meant to say 3 yards...
StephenToast
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You are clearly being ignorant for the sake of being ignorant.Another well structured come back I see...
You will find I am an extremely reliable source, my job title says so...
I'm not on a high horse, I've put together various bits that aren't available but you dismiss them constantly. As already stated, I use steel shot through my shotgun so there's one thing I've already changed
Again, why would I pick a bullet to use when they've been shown not to expand reliably at range? I shoot at range so it doesn't work... So why buy it?
There isn't 22lr subs in lead free so I can't use those either, they don't exist?
Lead free pellets didn't work for me using 3 different air rifles, I also went on to say the superdomes by rws were great but that's the only good pellets they do.
Again, off your high horse and pay attention to what people are saying because up to now you clearly haven't
Under your bridge and pipe down
There are plenty of non-lead bullets that work in full bore calibres. I know for a fact that the RWS Hit in .30-06 is one of them.
I also know that the forestry boys here have been using non-lead for years. It was one of them that pointed me at the RWS HIT ammo although they just have to use .308 for deer.
I have no idea how I can make it work and not you - maybe I'm just lucky... That said I know plenty of people using non-lead ammo in rifles and shotguns without any issues. Maybe they are just lucky too? Admittedly I am the only person I know that has tried the non-lead airgun pellets, but, as I said. They work just fine for me through an old sub 12ftlbs springer. I can't think that I would be unique in being able to make use of them.
.22LR is an issue currently I haven't said it isnt. I posted that earlier but that's another reply you've obviously not read. Things move on and there will be an alternative I am sure. If not. I'll sell my .22 and get something else.
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