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dave 67
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Sporting Rifle this month printed the same article as is in the link but with the following extra paragraph
Wild deer may have to be culled to curb the spread of TB in cattle. Reducing the herds of infected Fallow deer "May play a role in lowering risks to cattle" say government scientific advisers even though they ruled out a badger cull in England because it could not" meaningfully contribute" to eradicating the disease on farms .The more robust Welsh Assembly is pressing ahead with plans for a pilot Badger cull.
Earlier in the article it states that "The key results of the second report indicate that deer are likely to pose a lower risk to cattle than Badgers are, through out most of the South West of England and Wales"
Looks like they are happy to have a Deer cull that are of a lower risk but not happy to have a cull of Badgers that are a higher risk !!!
Wild deer may have to be culled to curb the spread of TB in cattle. Reducing the herds of infected Fallow deer "May play a role in lowering risks to cattle" say government scientific advisers even though they ruled out a badger cull in England because it could not" meaningfully contribute" to eradicating the disease on farms .The more robust Welsh Assembly is pressing ahead with plans for a pilot Badger cull.
Earlier in the article it states that "The key results of the second report indicate that deer are likely to pose a lower risk to cattle than Badgers are, through out most of the South West of England and Wales"
Looks like they are happy to have a Deer cull that are of a lower risk but not happy to have a cull of Badgers that are a higher risk !!!
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Davie
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I smell a rat here its just a small letter to farmers landowners and government officials form the DCS or the DI and they will be in there like a shot flattening every thing. MERRY CHRISTMAS STONE make sure when they go to your area they get feck all. 
Stone,
don't be too hasty flattening all those roe.
We have been involved with the testing of deer for TB on Glos, for some time now and can tell you that of all the deer tested it seems that the fallow are the ones that get infected..Although we are not privvy to all the results we do get feed back relating to our results and the neighbouring farms.We have tested roe and have had only negative feedback.
So don't go flattening roe on the back of a TB scare,Of all the deer tested it was the fallow that were most susceptable to the disease,I think the official figure was 8%,This inturn was due to the herd characteristics of fallow, the area we tested had several hundred fallow over a very small area less than 1000 acres. With densities so high the infection rate was bound to be high, or so you would of thought.The initial testing took place with a 100% of deer shot proving + for TB. Testing continued and because they were small batches we did not get the results.
We finally heard that there was to be a mass cull on the pretext of the initial testing of all the fallow for TB in and around the area we had been testing..
I think at this point it was finally dawning on the landowners that if TB was found in a high percentage of recovered deer then the implications could be far reaching for the stalking community in that area.
It involved approx 30-40 guns in a co-ordinated cull with an aim to have least a minimum of 80 fallow to test. Final results after two days cull were 34 deer shot that could readily be sampled.The deer themselves were to brought into to central point as is! ungralloched and unbled. the testing was done by two other persons so as to get uniform results.
The results as far as we know, bacause we were never informed officially of the results were a resounding negative..
What we couldn't understand was initial testing showed positive yet the official cull was a resounding negative..
Don't get me wrong there are deer here with TB we have witnessed it first hand on more than one occasion, perhaps its a seasonal flare up but who knows!
What I can tell you is that we have never seen TB in roe or munties, so it seems that it is a fallow oreintated disease.
Know thats justs my opinion!
Being an un-educated bumpkin it counts for nothing probably..
regards
griff
don't be too hasty flattening all those roe.
We have been involved with the testing of deer for TB on Glos, for some time now and can tell you that of all the deer tested it seems that the fallow are the ones that get infected..Although we are not privvy to all the results we do get feed back relating to our results and the neighbouring farms.We have tested roe and have had only negative feedback.
So don't go flattening roe on the back of a TB scare,Of all the deer tested it was the fallow that were most susceptable to the disease,I think the official figure was 8%,This inturn was due to the herd characteristics of fallow, the area we tested had several hundred fallow over a very small area less than 1000 acres. With densities so high the infection rate was bound to be high, or so you would of thought.The initial testing took place with a 100% of deer shot proving + for TB. Testing continued and because they were small batches we did not get the results.
We finally heard that there was to be a mass cull on the pretext of the initial testing of all the fallow for TB in and around the area we had been testing..
I think at this point it was finally dawning on the landowners that if TB was found in a high percentage of recovered deer then the implications could be far reaching for the stalking community in that area.
It involved approx 30-40 guns in a co-ordinated cull with an aim to have least a minimum of 80 fallow to test. Final results after two days cull were 34 deer shot that could readily be sampled.The deer themselves were to brought into to central point as is! ungralloched and unbled. the testing was done by two other persons so as to get uniform results.
The results as far as we know, bacause we were never informed officially of the results were a resounding negative..
What we couldn't understand was initial testing showed positive yet the official cull was a resounding negative..
Don't get me wrong there are deer here with TB we have witnessed it first hand on more than one occasion, perhaps its a seasonal flare up but who knows!
What I can tell you is that we have never seen TB in roe or munties, so it seems that it is a fallow oreintated disease.
Know thats justs my opinion!
Being an un-educated bumpkin it counts for nothing probably..
regards
griff
We shoot on a few places near cirencester and one of the landowners had a letter off DEFRA stating that there were reports that deer in his area had TB, he also has a few large setts on his place but they never mention that the badgers may have it too
There is a big population of fallow around his area but they only seem to come to him if pushed from elsewhere but now when in season its shoot on site
There is a big population of fallow around his area but they only seem to come to him if pushed from elsewhere but now when in season its shoot on site
Apolloapollo said:We shoot on a few places near cirencester and one of the landowners had a letter off DEFRA stating that there were reports that deer in his area had TB, he also has a few large setts on his place but they never mention that the badgers may have it too
There is a big population of fallow around his area but they only seem to come to him if pushed from elsewhere but now when in season its shoot on site
i think this is the very reason why my land owners and surrounding land owners are now a little worried, just they see the roe all the time and just occassionaly bunches of fallow passing through, as they can't do anything about the badgers, i think the deer are going to get a raw deal
Griff
that was some reply and i am very gratefull for that , a couple of other site members hav given me the same advice
so thank you
i am no-where near the suspected TB case's but it stll does not stop the farmers worrying
i shall now sort out as much info as i can and present this to my farmers to help maybe put thier minds at ease a little but also shoot a few to start off with before resuming on the fallow
thanks guys
Rangefinder
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Stone
Could you not suggest to your farmers you will continue as mormal with the cull and if you get evidence then you will increase the cull?
Just a thought and I certainly don't want you to think I am teaching you to suck eggs.
RF
Could you not suggest to your farmers you will continue as mormal with the cull and if you get evidence then you will increase the cull?
Just a thought and I certainly don't want you to think I am teaching you to suck eggs.
RF
Hi Stone Here is a lead in to the report on bTB in deer. It gives incidence and location. Pages 2,5,7,9,11 will be of particular interest to you. Once you have recovered from your Father Christmas role and and had a cup or two of council house tea read. If you want to discuss phone me and we can go through it.
Happy Xmas
http://www.defra.gov.uk/animalh/tb/pdf/deer-survey2008.pdf
read. If you want to discuss phone me and we can go through it. Happy Xmas
http://www.defra.gov.uk/animalh/tb/pdf/deer-survey2008.pdf
Rangefinder said:
RF
yes it was suggested but fell on deaf ears, as farming has taken a few knocks over the years this is just another nail in the coffin , i would probaly guess looking at thier point of view, and with them having cattle and sheep to make part of a living from, the least disease they hav to worry about , the better
but thank you for reply
thanks norm
looks like i hav quite a bit of studying to do
shall try and give you a call between xmas and new year see if we can get out and hav a look
untill then hav a good un yourself
Stone
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Hi Stone
Whilst doing my Xmas bottle rounds last week at one of my cattle farms,(probably not many miles from your patch), I was told of a neighbouring farm where there was TB confirmed in the cattle. But, thank God, I wasn't hearing cries for all the local Munties and Roe to be removed from the face of the earth.
I certainly haven't seen any signs of TB in any of the Roe I have shot.
The reports seem to show that the incidence of TB in Roe and Munties is very very low.
Whilst none of us want a major outbreak of TB, let's hope that DEFRA - and probably more importantly, the press and media if they get hold of it - don't get it out of all proportion!
Let's hope we don't get a major outbreak of TB in our beloved deer.
Even though the incidence in Roe is negligible, I will certainly be looking that bit more closely for any signs of TB in the coming months.
Best wishes
RH
Whilst doing my Xmas bottle rounds last week at one of my cattle farms,(probably not many miles from your patch), I was told of a neighbouring farm where there was TB confirmed in the cattle. But, thank God, I wasn't hearing cries for all the local Munties and Roe to be removed from the face of the earth.
I certainly haven't seen any signs of TB in any of the Roe I have shot.
The reports seem to show that the incidence of TB in Roe and Munties is very very low.
Whilst none of us want a major outbreak of TB, let's hope that DEFRA - and probably more importantly, the press and media if they get hold of it - don't get it out of all proportion!
Let's hope we don't get a major outbreak of TB in our beloved deer.
Even though the incidence in Roe is negligible, I will certainly be looking that bit more closely for any signs of TB in the coming months.
Best wishes
RH
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Davie
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Stone unless the deer are your livelihood then don't listen to Griff as what he says might be correct but from the farmers point of view no amount of paper work will convince them that its only a certain type of deer .Like the public farmers think deer / Venison not differing species.
Shoot all deer that are in clear view of the farmer every day and show him that your on his side not on your own.
Its your land to loose not theres i know i would not have been on here talking about it i would have done the job by now no questions asked.
Shoot all deer that are in clear view of the farmer every day and show him that your on his side not on your own.
Its your land to loose not theres i know i would not have been on here talking about it i would have done the job by now no questions asked.
6.5 x 55 said:Stone unless the deer are your livelihood then don't listen to Griff as what he says might be correct but from the farmers point of view no amount of paper work will convince them that its only a certain type of deer .Like the public farmers think deer / Venison not differing species.
Shoot all deer that are in clear view of the farmer every day and show him that your on his side not on your own.
Its your land to loose not theres i know i would not have been on here talking about it i would have done the job by now no questions asked.
You are one arrogant wee shite!
griff said:6.5 x 55 said:Stone unless the deer are your livelihood then don't listen to Griff as what he says might be correct but from the farmers point of view no amount of paper work will convince them that its only a certain type of deer .Like the public farmers think deer / Venison not differing species.
Shoot all deer that are in clear view of the farmer every day and show him that your on his side not on your own.
Its your land to loose not theres i know i would not have been on here talking about it i would have done the job by now no questions asked.
You are one arrogant wee shite!
gentlemen
i posted this thread as i , had not that much idea about TB, so was looking for info and helpfull advice on this
which i hav gratefully recieved from everyone
i was not expecting it to turn into something where others are going to hav a dig at each other over the advice they hav given ,
it is upto me to decide the action i take which i think is in mine, the farmer and the deer's best interest , hopefully i will get this right
so please stop this
6.5
as i work and supervise on a very busy enterprise at this time of year my daylight hours are some what limited untill now, as i hav broken up from work with about a month off
the farmer is well aware of this and has no problem in that fact
Roe hunter
we must meet up soon as we are like passing ships in the dark
I agree Stone, its your ground so you make the decision, although I would personally be on the side of caution with regards to flattening the whole population. Lets face it some farmers want everything shot that eats or even breaths on their crops or livestock, without any good reason, and I think Griff has made a very valid point.
I see that 6.5x55 is in the middle of it again please everyone, lets try not to be so confrontational. Whilst we have no problem with debate and strong views those that persist in confrontational posts will be BANNED.
And some have had more than enough chances over the last few weeks
Happy Christmas.
I see that 6.5x55 is in the middle of it again
please everyone, lets try not to be so confrontational. Whilst we have no problem with debate and strong views those that persist in confrontational posts will be BANNED.And some have had more than enough chances over the last few weeks
Happy Christmas.
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Davie
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GRIFF WROTE (You are one arrogant wee shite!)
I didn't think my post would get that type of response from a socialite stalker and quite frankly makes you look just a little childish.
While you may not agree with my post and might be well up on TB Facts are facts Stone has worried land owner who wants rid of deer.So now they have a conflict of interests he wants to manage the deer to full capacity and under normal circumstances that would be fine .But this is not normal and if the deerstalking is gifted to him and he is worried about the conflict as he obviously is or he wouldn't have wrote this he should in my opinion act and make a statement to his farmers showing he will do what ever necessary to solve the problem .If he doesn't then he MIGHT find that the landowner gets some one that will.
Now while this is his ground and his call this is an open forum and while my reply might not be what was wanted it is an opinion and my opinion if you don't want it then move on.
Malc this is you site i have told you before if you want to kick me off then do it don't threaten me or try and change the way i write . There is conflict in every ones post if you choose it there is also some sense in some . now while i am in the middle it is only because Griff took offence and replied in a disgusting manner. i HAVE READ MY POST AND CANNOT FOR THE LIFE OF ME FIND A REASON WHY HE WOULD JUMP ON IT LIKE HE DID.
MERRY CHRISTMAS
I didn't think my post would get that type of response from a socialite stalker and quite frankly makes you look just a little childish.
While you may not agree with my post and might be well up on TB Facts are facts Stone has worried land owner who wants rid of deer.So now they have a conflict of interests he wants to manage the deer to full capacity and under normal circumstances that would be fine .But this is not normal and if the deerstalking is gifted to him and he is worried about the conflict as he obviously is or he wouldn't have wrote this he should in my opinion act and make a statement to his farmers showing he will do what ever necessary to solve the problem .If he doesn't then he MIGHT find that the landowner gets some one that will.
Now while this is his ground and his call this is an open forum and while my reply might not be what was wanted it is an opinion and my opinion if you don't want it then move on.
Malc this is you site i have told you before if you want to kick me off then do it don't threaten me or try and change the way i write . There is conflict in every ones post if you choose it there is also some sense in some . now while i am in the middle it is only because Griff took offence and replied in a disgusting manner. i HAVE READ MY POST AND CANNOT FOR THE LIFE OF ME FIND A REASON WHY HE WOULD JUMP ON IT LIKE HE DID.
MERRY CHRISTMAS
I NEVER THREATEN ANYONE UNLESS I MEAN IT What I am trying to impart is for YOU and everyone else to not write in such an agressive manner so EVERYONE CAN LEARN FROM THE SITE.
Your manner of reply does suck, and quite frankly YES I am getting tired of it, you seem to like pushing people to the edge.
Yes it is my site, it also belongs to JAYB and Mark as well, and if we throw anyone off the site it will be a joint desicion.
So tone it down or find another site.
Thankyou.
What I am trying to impart is for YOU and everyone else to not write in such an agressive manner so EVERYONE CAN LEARN FROM THE SITE.Your manner of reply does suck, and quite frankly YES I am getting tired of it, you seem to like pushing people to the edge.
Yes it is my site, it also belongs to JAYB and Mark as well, and if we throw anyone off the site it will be a joint desicion.
So tone it down or find another site.
Thankyou.
