The 595 ejection saga goes on,

bobjs

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Well all i can say is GMK are on the ball.

My shooting buddy came over with his 590 action thats a fair bit less used than mine, he allowed me to strip down his bolt and fit his ejector spring to my bolt,

Amazing :) it worked, so i sent an email to Andy in the workshop at GMK and he was concerned enough to ask me to do some photo’s to try and sort this out, it seems that the new tikka replacement spring is made from a thicker shorter spring thats fitted to the older tikka 59/69 series,

On the left is the new spring from GMK on the left the original that was and is fitted to my buddy steve’s 595 6mm br,

I have tried to show the details as best i can so that would confirm that tikka /sako have changed the springs size and metal dimensions probably to keep in line with the current tikka T3 range and have left the older details in the bin,

Hopefully i nowstand a chance of finding a spring to sort the br, finally i can just about see some light at the end of the tunnel.

Thanks to Andy ans GMK Farnham,

Bob.
 

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bobjs

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Bob,
Did you bother to check the parts kit online, before ordering from GMK?

http://cdn1.sako.fi/sites/default/files/documents/Tikka_M590_690_595_695_SPC_A.pdf

http://tikka.fi/sites/default/files/documents/200036_Tikka T3x_T3 sparepartcatalogue 23042018.pdf

Bolt (spare parts) - ref nos:-:-|

(M595) S584T240

(T3/3x) S5850240

The parts where ordered buy the rfd complete and i am 100% positive the parts where correct as was the second ejector spring sent direct from GMK themselves after i cut the first one.

Bob.
 

bobjs

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Perhaps the repair should have been conducted by a gunsmith - you possibly wouldn’t have had this saga
it does not take a smith to change a spring in an ejector Ronan..., a non tapered punch just smaller than the hole the roll pin fits in and a small light hammer is all it takes.

I can assure you no matter who fits a spring that's the wrong spring its not going to work, a bit like a ford escort key for a Vauxhall viva it not going work is it,

mind you many gunsmiths would most likely have a similar spring on the spares shelf... but after asking I got nothing offered (well from a gunsmith that is)

bob.
 

Ronin

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Perhaps not

But they would have ordered the correct part, cleaned out any debris within the “ejector hole recess”and not left the piece of original broken spring within that void causing the further problems you encountered which has resulted in the angst and consternation reported on the site.

Less stress all round I’d suggest
 

bobjs

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my rfd who you know, and is a well respected friend and gunsmith ordered the correct parts' and I trust him explicitly to do so, I am no Stanger to the workings of a rifle, shotgun and far bigger projectile lobbers than most would even know about, it took 3 soakings of the recess with kroil a small manual hand held drill bit and there was still no sign of anything in the bottom, I then run the bolt through a ultrasonic cleaner on 2 occasions and it only showed at the second clean cycle. my x-ray vision must have been switched of as I clearly missed it.

I have spoken direct to GMK who have confirmed that the springs in the tikka kit issued for the 59/69 series now are NOT the same size as the original in more ways than one, and I presume that they may now take it up with the Fins, but as we all know nothing will come of it, they are certainly not going to change a whole production method for one guy with a 6mm br that does not like the new standardised spring used across the board for the new tikka range of rifles,

I will have to live with it as it is and continue my search for a supplier of a similar spring or just visit a few rfd's that could have something sat in a box at the back of the workshop.

bob.
 

Dalua

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Perhaps the repair should have been conducted by a gunsmith - you possibly wouldn’t have had this saga
I think that depends on what you mean by 'a gunsmith'.

If the job had been undertaken by someone who did all the things you mentioned in post 10, then obviously yes - it would all have been fine. You could further argue that someone who wouldn't have done that shouldn't be called 'a gunsmith'.

However....
 

Ronin

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Bob

My point which I appear to have failed to convey is this

Had the gunsmith ordered the parts, received them and stripped the bolt down (removing all pieces of broken spring from the ejector) I’m sure that they would have noticed immediately that the replacement sent parts were wrong diameter / length and could have brought this to GMK attention without being banded about on the web

I’m sure they would have also have been able to make or modify a spring to fit and work effectively

It just highlights to me that such things need doing by people that know what they’re doing

I mean no offence by that either and leave it there
 

bobjs

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Bob

My point which I appear to have failed to convey is this

Had the gunsmith ordered the parts, received them and stripped the bolt down (removing all pieces of broken spring from the ejector) I’m sure that they would have noticed immediately that the replacement sent parts were wrong diameter / length and could have brought this to GMK attention without being banded about on the web

I’m sure they would have also have been able to make or modify a spring to fit and work effectively

It just highlights to me that such things need doing by people that know what they’re doing

I mean no offence by that either and leave it there

Ronan

I understood where your coming from since the first post you made, let me make it clear,

I did not want to mention this at all but The item found in the bottom of the recess is NOT a bit of spring, it has been put there buy another party before the rifle came to me, I can only assume the piece of metal has been deliberately put there to make up for the weak spring how else could it have got there?

the spring is the correct diameter and length, for what they make now, but I can assure you that they are not the same as the spring used in an older tikka 595, we don't all have loads of spares knocking about to do our own thing should the parts turn up and not fit, the job in hand is so easy I recon my 16 year old daughter could do it so with all due respect Ronan its a piece of p I s h to fit IF THE PARTS ARE IN FACT THE SAME AS THE ONES YOU HAVE REMOVED IN THE FIRST PLACE.? and clearly tikka / sako have moved on with regards to the older actions.

I contacted GMK to ask if they had noticed the change in the springs and they fully understand why I did so. they have my full findings in an email and they have spoken to me in person on the phone and asked me to send photos so that they can help, they have been outstanding in there advice and help and I am sure they don't mind me talking about on a forum, after all is this not what we are meant to do when this info may help others.

I am in no way trying to drop GMK in the poo or anyone else for that matter, I am after all just passing on my findings, I have no idea how the bit of metal was placed there or by whom, but I am also sure that if a gunsmith operates a bolt that works fine then there is no need the carry any work out on it, so they would continue to carry out any other work the customer has asked for, so over time the spring had become weak and at the point when the rifle was sold I went to check it over prior to sending the rifle off to the new owner. I checked it over, I had not used the rifle in some time so felt it the best thing to do prior to sending it away.

the rest is history.

so as you say lets just leave it there and I will keep trying to get my rifle back to Normal, its a pity that more smiths did not jump on the thread when I first asked for help, and all this may never had come to light.

Neil Mc did and then told me off after I messed it up when I found the bit in the bottom of the recess ( he stated: I told you so) it was preventing me from fitting the new harder shorter spring, and by the way the new spring is that short that it does not have enough energy to eject the 6 mm br case, but I assume it will work ok with longer cases as they will be held against both the inner action wall and the bolt face at a different angle thus forming enough resistance for the ejector to eject the case from the action correctly.

so with respect lets leave it there.

bob.
 
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bobjs

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Drop Callum Ferguson at precision rifles in tomintoul a line. He may have something lying around. www.precisionrifles.com Dave
Morning Dave. And thank you

What can i say, i spoke to Callum and he is sending me down a couple of springs that may do the job, i had a good chat with him about my findings and he has given me some info that may help,

What a top chap and i hope this may prove to be the end of my issues,(sadly it will not change me being a Scotsman, but you can’t have everything ) :)

Bob.
 

Whitebeard

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Perhaps not

But they would have ordered the correct part, cleaned out any debris within the “ejector hole recess”and not left the piece of original broken spring within that void causing the further problems you encountered which has resulted in the angst and consternation reported on the site.

Less stress all round I’d suggest
So you are saying that if you are not a "Smith" you are incapable of ordering the correct part, incapable of cleaning out the ejector hole recess, Being a RFD who puts together rifles does not give you the right to suggest that a "mere mortal" is incapable:mad:
 

Ronin

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Ian

No I was not suggesting that anyone other than an rfd can order parts

I really fail to see the point in continuing this thread when there is already so much bickering in the site already

The parts were ordered - they came , they were incorrect and should have been picked up at that point that they were wrong

The bolt had been stripped - the spring within was short and some kind of spacer had been added (which would strike alarm bells with anyone)

Once stripped and cleaned and correct parts ordered delivered and fitted the rifle should be functioning as the maker intended

It’s that simple
 

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