The modern shooter and the "trend"

John Gryphon

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Just having a thought or two that many more will have had in their minds also re the "trend"

Wtf is the "trend"?

Well it seems that the modern hunter (stalker) seems to be only happy if he/she has the biggest fkn scope on his rifle that he can get glued onto a super magnum beast calibre underneath that he can take shots at deer with at the mind boggling ranges that the magazines and the internet spruik constantly.
It seems that unless the deer is shot at *** plus yards its not as good. So I ask.

Are we not STALKERS?


As in stalking into our quarry once it is seen and identified and carrying with us all of the excitement of the actual chase (stalk),the self admonishing when cracking a stick underfoot,the hoping`s for the breeze to stay in ones face and the other non target animals and birds in not giving us away to said quarry. The wish for 'that' tree or log to be a lot closer to take a rest from, the wish for the deer to present a broadside before dark,all of the little things that go together for a final stalk in to be successful.
The anticipation of the meat or the antlers hanging up in our mind that overrules our brains years of training that can render even the old hands to shaking and even leaving the safety on!
The delicious shiver that can only be had by getting closer is not to be had when sitting back **** yards for a crack.

Without my RF I refused a big stag shot one evening that I ranged the next day @ 410 yards,bit of a story but it was as windy as buggery and combined with the steep angle I refused it,yet its seems its common place for the new world order to say pffftt for refusing the shot and adding " ya bloody sheila,with my 3000000 calibre magnum and my super slippery coated projectiles I would have rolled him easy "
There was no way I could get near him due to the amount of light left that evening.
I`m sure that many these days would have taken the shot.
I have to ask "why in the fck do long range shooters wear camo?"
 

Tim.243

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Go boys go.....


Or closer to home....where is skippy...


Tim.243
 
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NigelM

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So what is acceptable John?

I have bits of woodland ground where I shoot regularly inside 50 meters. Hell, calling Sika and Roe in during the rut I've had it inside 15 meters on many occasions. However, other bits of ground are big arable fields, like the one I was stalking last week and couldn't physically get any closer that 175 meters as the bugger was on a very small hedge line in the middle of the field that I couldn't stalk down. Meat or no meat was the call.

I have been known to take longer shots as well, but only when needs must, like a switch that needed taking out to allow a Royal into the hinds and dead ground between us, or the stag with the smelly broken rear leg who needed to be put out of his misery. When those circumstances arise I like to know I can rise to the occasion.

But there is nothing better than getting inside 50 meters, preferably closer, and taking a banker of a shot. It is route #1 every time I go out, but sometimes route #1 just isn't possible.

The Kiwi's have a different issue. Having the ability to whack 10 goats on a hillside from 600 meters reduces the problem they have much more effectively than taking one or two at 100 meters. Horses for courses really. Needs must. Doesn't make them bad people, unless you're Australian obviously.

As for the Carlos Fandango Super Duper Hokey Cokey 300 Monster Mag, I think most of us understand that unless you are whacking Taliban at 1500 meters you really don't need one, but I wouldn't damn anyone for having one, some people enjoy the pain and they are a lot of fun to shoot - well, for a few rounds anyway.

Chill man. Why so angry?
 

Conh

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I see this post re occur online at least once every couple of days. I would say that I see many more people who spend all day moaning about these “new age shooters” than I do people shooting at silly long ranges. If you like stalking in close then cool, good for you. Let it rest
 

NigelM

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How kind of you John. A professional qualification. Much more than I deserve I'm sure.

Stalking is stalking I agree, in fact we agree on most things, but sometimes you just have to get a job done and I wouldn't damn anyone for doing it, so long as they were well practiced and proficient.

If everyone agreed with everyone else on this forum it would be a much less interesting place.

Nice piece of walnut you have got by the way. Very jealous.

NigelM
 

exmarksman9870

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people can do what they like if they want to use it let them.. the world would be a borring place if we all had the same ways in life... as for me i have walnut stocks and i have AI chasiss and mdt etc..i enjoy using them... why shouldnt I... just be happy with what you have and dont worry about anyone else ....
 

John Gryphon

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I feel that some are missing the point I was thinking of..STALKING not just the shooting of the beast.

The stalk has it all including failures with the successes and is a high light of taking a big stag.

Seriously, shooting one from the car window in a fenced off area of 1000 acres @ 750 yards isn't quite what I had in mind.
I will post a couple of pics in another thread re this mornings pup walk..its sort of pertinent.

Nige you get three stars for your reply!
 

Tim.243

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I feel that some are missing the point I was thinking of..STALKING not just the shooting of the beast.

The stalk has it all including failures with the successes and is a high light of taking a big stag.

Seriously, shooting one from the car window in a fenced off area of 1000 acres @ 750 yards isn't quite what I had in mind.
I will post a couple of pics in another thread re this mornings pup walk..its sort of pertinent.

Nige you get three stars for your reply!

Here in the UK we have amended versions of the Deer Act, which I guess you have something similar.
I recall seeing something regarding the ingenious aboriginal people and hunting.



Tim.243
 
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Conh

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Have you heard anyone who shoots game at longer ranges boast of how skilled at stalking they are? I havnt? Yes, a lot of people enjoy the sport Deer Stalking, but other people just enjoy other variations of the sport. People who hunt pigs with dogs arnt stalking their prey, but there is still a skill to it.
 

CPShines

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Horses for courses

I've only shot a few deer so far, but for me I know that if the deer turn up before I've gotten into the hunt, I get the shakes. If I've been stalking for an hour or so - no shakes. I need the stalk to get into the zone - I guess it'll be different for others, and it might change for me over time.
 

Stephen86

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I guess I read a lot of myself in your original post (minus the huge calibre rifles). As much as I love that chest pounding stalk to get within 100m, I also love the test of the data that I've researched and practiced for the longer ranged shots. I am reasonably new to long(er) range shooting, but feel more than comfortable out to and beyond 400m.

My issue when it comes to trend is the idiots who believe that in order to step onto land with a rifle in hand, they need to be head to toe in Harkila, or whatever flavour of the month designer gear they feel they need to be adorned in. When i take a walk in my jeans and tshirt, i shoot just as much game as the idiots who look like they have ram raided the most recent game fair. This point was never more apparent than when i turned up for the shooting part of my DSC1 in said trainers, trousers n tshirt... The rest of the class in shirts, waistcoats, stalkers hats etc etc. As they collectively looked down their noses at me, i shot a ragged one hole group, 4 of them couldn't pass the first exercise.

That 'shooting catwalk' is the plague that is affecting our sport, not those who wish to learn about ballistic coefficient.

Stephen.
 
I was out with a fella on the rabbits (the gentleman is on here) the other week

We were talking about roe on his permissions

I asked him about ranges he typically stalked to

His reply was typically 50m - and added that he could just as easily take roe at 150m but then he would have no roe left

I thought that was a fair comment and I have resolved to do more stalking and save the long range shots for the 5" metal deer
 

ejg

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At the end of the day we get a deer licence from Government to do a service, control deer numbers. It is not a computer game to satisfy some of our sporting needs, or get a kick out of it or to raise our adrenalin level. The hunter himself will be responsible for the outcome of a hunt be it a long range shot with a modern rifle or a short range running game shot with more traditional gear. The bigger problem is the acceptance of certain hunting types. My guess is that the most animals wounded and possibly not retrieved will happen in driven hunts, completely acceptable because it is traditional and always was that way. Same with bird shooting all wounding's completely acceptable and no mentioning of animal suffering. However if a longer range shot goes bad we will hear about it and it will be ridden to death. I have a problem with hunters who don't work on themselves or their gear, accept shortcomings of their gear and keep going or who deliberately use outdated gear just to be traditional. For some it is just cool to be a stalker and are useless at actually controlling numbers.
For me a stalker should be capable of managing deer numbers in all types of terrain, be able to shoot deer at short or longer ranges and have reliable modern gear. Yes not all modern gear is good however if one selects well one will find better gear than in the past. Good developments of the past keep on going, for example 30-06 or the Mauser action rightly so but modern barrels are more accurate, optics are better as well as some stocks.

edi
 

dodgyknees

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At the end of the day we get a deer licence from Government to do a service, control deer numbers. It is not a computer game to satisfy some of our sporting needs, or get a kick out of it or to raise our adrenalin level. The hunter himself will be responsible for the outcome of a hunt be it a long range shot with a modern rifle or a short range running game shot with more traditional gear. The bigger problem is the acceptance of certain hunting types. My guess is that the most animals wounded and possibly not retrieved will happen in driven hunts, completely acceptable because it is traditional and always was that way. Same with bird shooting all wounding's completely acceptable and no mentioning of animal suffering. However if a longer range shot goes bad we will hear about it and it will be ridden to death. I have a problem with hunters who don't work on themselves or their gear, accept shortcomings of their gear and keep going or who deliberately use outdated gear just to be traditional. For some it is just cool to be a stalker and are useless at actually controlling numbers.
For me a stalker should be capable of managing deer numbers in all types of terrain, be able to shoot deer at short or longer ranges and have reliable modern gear. Yes not all modern gear is good however if one selects well one will find better gear than in the past. Good developments of the past keep on going, for example 30-06 or the Mauser action rightly so but modern barrels are more accurate, optics are better as well as some stocks.

edi

...and sanity prevailed. Well said.
 

Rasputin

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Very valid points already raised and I would say with modern equipment a 300m shot on a fair day is perfectly reasonable on deer for even a modest shooter with a little bit of practice and a normal caliber, hell nobody loses their **** when people shoot foxes out at 400+m. Modern optics, quality ammo, bipods and quality barrels mean you shouldn't really miss when inside 300m in theory, then again theres always some bright spark shooting 400+ or even like in those videos 1000+
 

armo.

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Just having a thought or two that many more will have had in their minds also re the "trend"

Wtf is the "trend"?

Well it seems that the modern hunter (stalker) seems to be only happy if he/she has the biggest fkn scope on his rifle that he can get glued onto a super magnum beast calibre underneath that he can take shots at deer with at the mind boggling ranges that the magazines and the internet spruik constantly.
It seems that unless the deer is shot at *** plus yards its not as good. So I ask.
I have to ask "why in the fck do long range shooters wear camo?"

You're not supposed to ask about these specialist shooters...surely you know that they're all ex-Special Forces snipers, but they just can't tell you that outright? Yes, if you meet one, they might hint at their former career a bit (often within an hour of meeting), but now that you know, please, never, ever ask them questions directly.
 

paul o'

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I get it feller Stalking is creeping up and taking it as close as you can its a skill that comes with time , now shooting is quite different and a skill not many stalkers have the ability or should I say training to feel ok on taking a long shot over 400 or even 200 , its not that most cant take the shot its just not within them to do it .

The UK is not the like the rest of the world its far better :rolleyes: :rofl: , over 200 some guys gets a tad out of shape and wobble at the thought of a long shot if we were too all hold our hands up hand on the pump we all know or have seen guys that fall into a mess at 100 yrds but practice , practice oh then do some more practice and they too will overcome the wobbles when looking down the rifle . Long shots ! yeh i'v got no problems with them if you can ? but doing your best Elmer Fudd is a hart pumper and i'd feel better bumping a deer due to me cocking it up than slotting it at 4-800 yrds ! I know I can do that :smug: but i'll always take the walk and enjoy the hunt that way its me and it , not just me and the wind ?.

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