The real story knives

Bowland blades

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Its about time the true story on knife edge geometry, steel and the resulting sharpness steels where actually told , so here it is
1. If a blade is made from pretty much any recognised knife / tool steel/ straight high carbon. The single over riding factor is not the which steel you use ! The heat treatment its given takes that slot and 58-63 rc without growing grain by over heating or not running it hot enough to actually convert said material into a fully hard state . Tempering is then required after hardening to remove the stresses from the conversion , this gives back some shock resistance and will generally remove a small amount of the finished harness, without it though the blade will chip on its edge and will likely break in hard use .
2. edge geometry , the sharpest edge we will ever make is always going to be the thinnest as it has the least drag ! Think and edge that meets at infinity ( a nice theory but in practice we will grind to about a 20-30 thousand inch ) before the actuall primary edge is done with stones etc . That said there is good reason why bushcraft scandi grinds and joiners chisels etc have the exact opposite and that is a thinner knife finer edge cannot be employed for long when battened along or even across the grain . Remember the scandi etc has a fat grind creating high friction but great strength - putting another smaller " primary edge " is often discussed on here - I have to say the theory of it being sharper on the edge is bluntly " plain wrong " the angle is then of course of and even steeper edge than what it behind it ! ( remember the least friction is required ) . The ultimate geometry is of course very different when it comes to the gralloch of a deer .
3. steel choice ? Is less important than the heat treat and the geometry but most prefer stainless as it doesn't stain and high carbon will .. Stainless is not fully rust proof simply because its a lot of iron in the mix but it is very stain poof from blood and such . If you use most stainless knives in saltwater you should still expect some rust ( high levels of chrome in sea angling knives tend to be tough to sharpen unless they are at lower hardness than we require for bleeding and gralloching stags )
 
I would argue that the material is just as important as the heat treatment, however the real secret is getting the HT matched to the alloy and intended purpose. Steels with higher abrasion resistance due to the formation of carbides from alloying elements such as Vanadium and Cobalt may take a lower hardness to aid ductility while retaining a good abrasion resistance and thus "keep a good edge" in comparison to other steels. However that doesn't make them better or worse than any other steel as it all depends on application, price target, ease of sharpening, corrosion resistance etc. I'd love to see a knife in DC53 as its a modified D2 which I've always quite liked as a blade steel, and I've used extensively for machine parts, but never seen it used in a knife yet. Its very similar to D2, however has almost double the ductility at 58HRc compared to D2 and I've used it at 63HRc to great effect. Would love to see it made into a blade.
 
I would argue that the material is just as important as the heat treatment, however the real secret is getting the HT matched to the alloy and intended purpose. Steels with higher abrasion resistance due to the formation of carbides from alloying elements such as Vanadium and Cobalt may take a lower hardness to aid ductility while retaining a good abrasion resistance and thus "keep a good edge" in comparison to other steels. However that doesn't make them better or worse than any other steel as it all depends on application, price target, ease of sharpening, corrosion resistance etc. I'd love to see a knife in DC53 as its a modified D2 which I've always quite liked as a blade steel, and I've used extensively for machine parts, but never seen it used in a knife yet. Its very similar to D2, however has almost double the ductility at 58HRc compared to D2 and I've used it at 63HRc to great effect. Would love to see it made into a blade.
I have made exhaust cutting blades for the recycling people they fit in a J type ram set up and sheer the exhaust pipe,
The blades were £60.00 and they broke 1 a day useless operators, blades stamped out. I made one on the mill out of en24t and heat treated it my self. Lasted 2.5 years...
Deer knives go dull because people hit bone (which can't be helped) the rest is soft, Red necks are the worst as the fur/hide can be full of mud/grit so will kill any blade.
 
I have made exhaust cutting blades for the recycling people they fit in a J type ram set up and sheer the exhaust pipe,
The blades were £60.00 and they broke 1 a day useless operators, blades stamped out. I made one on the mill out of en24t and heat treated it my self. Lasted 2.5 years...
Deer knives go dull because people hit bone (which can't be helped) the rest is soft, Red necks are the worst as the fur/hide can be full of mud/grit so will kill any blade.
Sounds like a vast improvement, for shear action like that EN24 is quite tough and should last a good while! For abrasion resistance against dirt/grit etc, this is where an alloy with lots of Vanadium (or something else which forms carbides) will help however it does make it a bugger to sharpen!
 
Sounds like a vast improvement, for shear action like that EN24 is quite tough and should last a good while! For abrasion resistance against dirt/grit etc, this is where an alloy with lots of Vanadium (or something else which forms carbides) will help however it does make it a bugger to sharpen!
yes that leaves the people in their shed scratching a way, you don't see any high spec knives in food industry knives from slaughter houses to New Zealand home kill vids and they use them far more than all the stalkers in the world because they stone an edge use then steel and repeat.
you can spend an hour plus on a chain saw blade then 5 seconds on an old bit of iron spike buried in a oak back to square one.
 
I might be totally mistaken, but I have found carbon steel blades easier to sharpen and they seem to stay sharp for longer in comparison to stainless steel. Is this correct?
 
I might be totally mistaken, but I have found carbon steel blades easier to sharpen and they seem to stay sharp for longer in comparison to stainless steel. Is this correct?
There is something in that but its more to it and it gets squirly . There are lots of reversals to the rules , depending on the heat treatment and the actual steel used . Stainless knife steels generally need more temp and mass produced SS is often given a lower temp than it should have ( heat / fuel isn't cheap) . But there are a heck of a lot of steels that transform in different ways .
 
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