The Speaker

Rusty Gate

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Shame the beheading was stopped, with the corrupt politician's we've had & still got that place should look like a basket of footballs at JD Sports!! :banghead:

Should our political posts go in Jokes & Funnies section, just can't take anything about them seriously...
 

Apthorpe

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On the plus side, there is the prospect that the next speaker might be an adult and make an effort at impartiality. It's weird to think how far Bercow debased that position and the reputation of the Commons. Ten years ago, nobody would have believed for a second that a Speaker would act anything like that and get away with it.
I really hope, with not much optimism, that the next election will herald a return of some adults to the political arena - not only politicians, but also the Civil Service and political media. They're all acting like children and deserve a good dose of proper discipline, accountability and higher expectations.
 

Chasey

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Yet he was re elected to the speaker role in cross party elections, was it three or four times?

His key personal issues have been international relations, constitutional reform, human rights and equality?

Why is there this sudden dislike for someone widly regarded (by all walks of politics) as a humanitarian and the best speaker of the house for a generation?

I don't reely care but I am curious?
 

Chasey

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Your aware hes a Conservitive right?

His history of that is he was a hard right wing conservative who mellowed over the years
 

Chasey

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No That's not it. I am just pointing out this person is / was a hard right win conservative well respected across all parties yet because he wont take any c#@p in parliament hes suddenly vilified????

Had his background been more socialist I could see the "bias" claim but his history is as I say apparently hard right wing conservative.

He got in to trouble for saying (in a student seminar) he hoped the government would protect workers rights maternity leave and equality rights after leaving the EU> The obvious suggestion that these issues would suffer apparently upset the Brexit camp

He also pointed out we had benefited greatly from Immigration and freedom of movement

As speaker hes not allowed to have a political bias but I don't know how you reconcile that against giving a talk to students? Surely your personal opinions in that forum are not a bias in parliament issue?

Obviously as one of if not the most powerful person in politics below the PM he carried a heavy weight of responsibility, but in the end the smear campaign against him failed and he was vindicated

He also managed to prevent Trump addressing parliament by vetoing it.

Its for this single act I am a Bercow fan not for his Brexit opinions.

I came across this in realtion to trump the other day. It made me smile both on the issue of the failure of Democracy and on the issue of both Trump and Johnson

As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”

Menken "Notes on Democracy" 1926

A very good book I strongly recomend
 

howa243

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No That's not it. I am just pointing out this person is / was a hard right win conservative well respected across all parties yet because he wont take any c#@p in parliament hes suddenly vilified????

Had his background been more socialist I could see the "bias" claim but his history is as I say apparently hard right wing conservative.
Again I am wondering where you get this.

This is from wiki. Having initially been associated with the staunchly right-wing factions of his party, his views shifted after becoming an MP and by 2009 there had been rumours he would defect to the Labour Party.
 

jer

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No That's not it. I am just pointing out this person is / was a hard right win conservative well respected across all parties yet because he wont take any c#@p in parliament hes suddenly vilified????

Had his background been more socialist I could see the "bias" claim but his history is as I say apparently hard right wing conservative.

He got in to trouble for saying (in a student seminar) he hoped the government would protect workers rights maternity leave and equality rights after leaving the EU> The obvious suggestion that these issues would suffer apparently upset the Brexit camp

He also pointed out we had benefited greatly from Immigration and freedom of movement

As speaker hes not allowed to have a political bias but I don't know how you reconcile that against giving a talk to students? Surely your personal opinions in that forum are not a bias in parliament issue?

Obviously as one of if not the most powerful person in politics below the PM he carried a heavy weight of responsibility, but in the end the smear campaign against him failed and he was vindicated

He also managed to prevent Trump addressing parliament by vetoing it.

Its for this single act I am a Bercow fan not for his Brexit opinions.

I came across this in realtion to trump the other day. It made me smile both on the issue of the failure of Democracy and on the issue of both Trump and Johnson

As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”

Menken "Notes on Democracy" 1926

A very good book I strongly recomend
Chasey I do respect your views however mistaken I think they are, but if I can just pick up on one comment here of how you hold Bercow in such high esteem and that is "he also managed to prevent Trump addressing Parliament by vetoing it. Its for this single act I am a Bercow fan and not his Brexit opinions"
So you think that Bercow is "the man" because of that, yet this is the same Bercow who cordially allowed and invited President Xi Jinping of China to address Parliament in 2015. That is the same Xi Jinping who has and continues to sanction hundreds of thousands of people being abducted to secret detention centres for "re education" whenever they speak out against him, the same President that human rights activists (whos agenda YOU AND BERCOW align with in your post) say has the worst record in regard to human rights. The following is a statement from one Chinese human rights campaigner Wu Yuhua who because of the regime has to reside in Thailand “Conditions are deteriorating, with prisoners of conscience suffering from torture, degradation, harassment and discrimination,” Wu said. “I’m very pessimistic about the prospects for human rights in China.”
So please explain the logic here, Bercow is very happy to have an unelected Chinese despot address Parliament but stands in the way of an elected US President doing the same. I really am at a loss to understand WTF goes on in the minds of people who think that is ok.
 

Finch

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Harriet Harman probably next in that seat. Say no more.
Ms Harperson is odds-on "favourite". She has already stated publicly that if she gets the job she intends to carry on precisely where Bercow left off and will do her utmost to prevent Brexit.

Parliament is so utterly discredited and bereft of all moral authority we may as well dissolve it permanently and revert to the Royal Prerogative and absolute monarchy.
 

jer

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Ms Harperson is odds-on "favourite". She has already stated publicly that if she gets the job she intends to carry on precisely where Bercow left off and will do her utmost to prevent Brexit.

Parliament is so utterly discredited and bereft of all moral authority we may as well dissolve it permanently and revert to the Royal Prerogative and absolute monarchy.
I'm up for that, at least shooting would be ok in the hands of HM :lol:
 

Apthorpe

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Ms Harperson is odds-on "favourite". She has already stated publicly that if she gets the job she intends to carry on precisely where Bercow left off and will do her utmost to prevent Brexit.
Has she? How disappointing! I disagree with her on most things, but did respect her for having some integrity.
In my book, any candidate (after standing for election) who airs an opinion on any political topic disqualifies themself.
 

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