Thermal

Roebuck243

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I'm wanting to know what people think of thermal image cameras for spotting ?
Im interested from owners what they really think are they worth it ?
What situations are they good in , also entering a field say how quick can you cover it with thermal and what speed . Also can you flick over stuff and is it practice to identify things and what to look out for .
cheers.
 
I use an HD38. I can scan a field in less than 30 seconds and move on. You learn real quick to recognise different heat signatures from different animals. Inverting the image will give a clearer outline of the heat source. If any part of the heat source is within line of sight you will pick it up.

I would not be without it...period.
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I use a guide 518c and its a great bit of kit not to good on the hills when the rocks have absorbed the sun during the day
 
How good do you find them in the pishing rain? Mine's not much use (FLIR Photon) out beyond about 100m after a while.
 
Cheers for reply can you explain on certain things like limitations how.
Topic is Thermal cameras where do Zeiss come into it ?
 
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They don't do too well in the pitch black though, do they.

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No I suppose they don't but if I want to look at wildlife at night I use a lamp anyway I ain't knocking thermal gear but for spotting deer in a hunting situation or just general observation I like the conventional glass, I read the OP as using the thermal for spotting deer while in hunt mode if that is what he meant in his post ?
 
I only use them for fox/vermin control. Nothing sporting about them. Stalking is done with optics, skill and knowledge.

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Only for foxing vermin control I'm talking about.
I'm away stalking at the min have to agree binocs experience ,alert,field craft and don't forgot full fry up when back !
Can't beat challenge of finding deer with binocs but to think of Using thermal just ruins it for me.
 
I'm wanting to know what people think of thermal image cameras for spotting ?
Im interested from owners what they really think are they worth it ?
What situations are they good in , also entering a field say how quick can you cover it with thermal and what speed . Also can you flick over stuff and is it practice to identify things and what to look out for .
cheers.

So to answer the OP question - I would not be without mine now. It has completely changed the way in which I operate on vermin control - from initial assessment of the issue, the speed at which I can 'clear' a field, or otherwise, through to the point of choosing to engage on the shot. I have learned much about behaviour and habit from watching animals moving in an natural, unaware manner, and this too has added to my enjoyment of vermin hunting. I am now playing a slightly different game to the one played when lamping and am under less pressure to take a shot, so the process is more humane. On follow up, picking up is a doddle, and should a miss occur, the target can still be tracked easily enough, to be picked up later in the round, or on another day. One is still battling against sense of smell, noise etc. to get to the right position.

It is practice to quickly identify animals. Often it is their behaviour that is the giveaway. You can scan a field in a matter of moments, dismissing much of what activity that is there, but perhaps returning to a hotspot of interest. Of course animals move, so a rescan may reveal something in a hedge not previously there, in the same way as a lamp might. I still enjoy lamping, but when you have a job to do, there is only one option IMO.

I have learned that you need to learn how to use this stuff effectively - as you do with NV. Weather and temperature all affect the picture you get - as the land cools through the night for example, temperatures become more normalised and so landscape can become less distinct - but that is when you learn to play with brightness, contrast, focus and zoom to enhance the picture to get the effect you need. Rain and fog will affect the sensitivity, but not to the extent of not being able to use thermal - but to then shoot the target these things give a different interference...!

As to whether they are worth it, I think that is down to personal opinion of the specific kit used and the context. Sorry this is vague, but it depends on whether it is a tool or a toy - and how large a sum of money one has shelled out. I go back to my opening statement - I would not be without mine and it is worth every penny for the time it saves me/gives me back in terms of productivity and of course safety. Sadly, it cannot see round corners, through trees or over crests and as and when that piece of kit comes out, we shall doubtless have the same sorts of conversations! I would say you will only be able to answer the question by spending some time with a unit for yourself, either on a borrow, with someone or a demo. There are companies who will loan for a week, charging a fee, refunded if you then buy the unit. That's money where your mouth is on both counts and an offer I heartily recommend.
 
I'm wanting to know what people think of thermal image cameras for spotting ?
Im interested from owners what they really think are they worth it ?
What situations are they good in , also entering a field say how quick can you cover it with thermal and what speed . Also can you flick over stuff and is it practice to identify things and what to look out for .
cheers.

I started a recent thread about lamping deer (during legal deer-hunting hours) and your scenario is quite similar in that a lot of deer stalkers will be against it on grounds of etiquette (estabnlished i.e. tradition) and sportsmanship. The actual legal situation is also quite ambigious, as the wording in the Law is open to interpretation and therefore requires case law to clarify what is and what is not allowed.

My personal view is that if a thermal imaging camera helps you to find and ID deer and therefore improves your success rate, than I think we should embrace this new technology and make the most of it. There will always be traditionalist who are against it - just like using an artificial lure for salmon and trout fishing is seen as 'unsporting' by the game-fishing elite, as it is too easy and successful. I disagree that a hunting method which improves your success rate is by definition unsporting, but totally accept we all have different boundaries for what is and what is not acceptable for different species. However I get a bit rebellious when I do something that is Legal and others tell me I shouldn’t or can’t. Turning this round, of course there are lots of things that may be Legal but are in my view unethical. In such cases I chose not to do it, but accept others may.
 
I started a recent thread about lamping deer (during legal deer-hunting hours) and your scenario is quite similar in that a lot of deer stalkers will be against it on grounds of etiquette (estabnlished i.e. tradition) and sportsmanship. The actual legal situation is also quite ambigious, as the wording in the Law is open to interpretation and therefore requires case law to clarify what is and what is not allowed.

My personal view is that if a thermal imaging camera helps you to find and ID deer and therefore improves your success rate, than I think we should embrace this new technology and make the most of it. There will always be traditionalist who are against it - just like using an artificial lure for salmon and trout fishing is seen as 'unsporting' by the game-fishing elite, as it is too easy and successful. I disagree that a hunting method which improves your success rate is by definition unsporting, but totally accept we all have different boundaries for what is and what is not acceptable for different species. However I get a bit rebellious when I do something that is Legal and others tell me I shouldn’t or can’t. Turning this round, of course there are lots of things that may be Legal but are in my view unethical. In such cases I chose not to do it, but accept others may.

I believe the thread was started and been clarified as relating to vermin only - and I restricted my original response to that.

However, as a professional tool for case study and DMP etc., TI is invaluable in assessing numbers etc. As a tool for understanding patterns and behaviour of deer so as to know where to go and stalk in a traditional manner, it is also an incredible tool. For follow up on (wounded) deer, it is also a step change in capability. As you say there are those who wish to remain steeped in tradition - and for the actual stalk, I am all for that. I have tremendous respect for those who have trained deer dogs and pit combined animal instinct against the quarry rather than taking a purely technological stand. Tradition is incredibly important. In the same way as we turn our noses at semi-auto's being used on driven days, for me it is the fine line between being a hunter and a killer. If someone develops an auto-tracking shotgun, should we adopt it? I'm sure 100% kill rate would take much of the fun - and the money - out of the sports we so enjoy. We all have our different reasons for this sport and our own personal motivations will drive the tools we choose to use in pursuing the sport.
 
We shoot a lot of foxes on keepered estates we use a 308 with a 6x24x56 zeiss a 243 with a 3x12x56 and a 223 with a d760 if we use a scoped rifle we have a pvs145 as a spotter which will go on the back of any scope this is the kit we use to control foxes on estates that have clients paying money to shoot pheasies and it works very well for us Theremal is only used when we have rough ground and cannot locate a fox due to heather or reeds and this cut them out and exposes charlie
 
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