Think I'm been had !!!

[V 90 mud]

I've had a feeling for a while now one of my stalking permissions I pay handsomely for is doing a bit of double dealing !!! After having a conversation with a third party this week , I was enlightened that some one also known to me has been visiting this land often taken the deer and using my seats and other stuff for a while , land owner has told him where my cameras are and to avoid them !!!! So as you can imagine totally pxxxxd off . Any way I've set up.a couple of let's say covert cams to hopefully catch an unusual quarries , to provide me with some concrete evidence , lucky I don't leave the quad up there and an endless supply of fuel !! Any of you chaps had a similar dealing and how would you deal with it ??

 

[User00014]

simply move your cameras , fight sneaky with sneaky , get you evidance and stick it politely where the sun don shine !!

 

[Tommo]

Get the pictures, confront the landowner, worst case you walk away with all you gear, although I would advise you to get your money's worth first....

 

[tom308w]

V90i if your ringing and telling him your going up he's got plenty of time on his hands I would move the cameras and tell him you have taken a couple of them home then go up one time and ring him just before you get there 5mins away it's crap when you think there's someone else on your shoot
​ Atb Tom

 

[223]

if the landowner is allowing this to happen he clearly doesnot give a Sh*t, you can get all the pictures you want but it will only end up in tears, bad situation i know and i symithaise with you.
but if this is your only stalking i would go easy in your appoarch overwise you could find yourself stalking less very quickly.

that aside go at all random times (out of your normal pattern/times etc etc) and if you have to text the farmer youre going etc
text him very regular even if you all of a sudden cant make it get me

 

[baguio]

I would delete this thread in case the said stalker is looking at it!

 

[Jimbo 30 06]

I would delete this thread in case the said stalker is looking at it!

+1 Jimbo

 

[V 90 mud]

To be fair he's not really a stalker just a scroat trying to sell some venison !!

 

[rick6point5]

Some stalking and a permission are worth holding onto, even if its not just you on it, use it to the max, they are hard to find.IMO

 

[teyhan1]

Bugger that!!
I would collect any evidence, write up a small claims court writ and present it to the landowner. Include costs for lost revenue, cost of writ and reclaim cost of stalking lease.
He is effectively stealing something you have paid for and I'll bet if you stole something of his then he'd want compensation for his loss.
Make sure your lease does specify that you have sole rights first, and if it does then take it all back off of him.
He has done it once and he'll do it again.
Alternatively calculate all the costs and tell him you'll be stalking for x amount of years without charge or you'll be going to the police ( if you've got big enough b@lls to follow this route)

 

[basil]

Bugger that!!
I would collect any evidence, write up a small claims court writ and present it to the landowner. Include costs for lost revenue, cost of writ and reclaim cost of stalking lease.
He is effectively stealing something you have paid for and I'll bet if you stole something of his then he'd want compensation for his loss.
Make sure your lease does specify that you have sole rights first, and if it does then take it all back off of him.
He has done it once and he'll do it again.
Alternatively calculate all the costs and tell him you'll be stalking for x amount of years without charge or you'll be going to the police ( if you've got big enough b@lls to follow this route)

I might be missing something here but what is he stealing? The deer (while alive) don`t belong to anyone.
Other than that i couldn`t agree with you more.

 

[mo]

That's a shame. Unfortunately it happens to the best of us. Although a slightly different situation, a group of us were on a stalking syndicate, ground was fantastic. Then over the space a year the deer just seemed to be getting harder and harder to find, plenty of signs just not seeing them until just day break or literally last knockings. Things were indicating that others were using the ground as well whilst we were not there which was causing deer to turn nocturnal. We eventually gathered enough evidence which transpired there was in fact a local chap who also had access to the ground and was talking paying clients out! The lease holder was technically within his rights to do as he pleases but it was the dishonesty and lies that caused us all to pack it in! The shifty and sneaky nature of this lease holder only resulted in him losing out on £5k per year. Although I don't think it would take long for him to find some more unsuspecting stalkers. Anyway good luck and hope you get it sorted. If you have a written agreement which says you have the sole stalking rights then I would seriously think about taking him to a small claims court, this sort of thing is just not on and really does get under your skin!

 

[Archer]

What sort of contract do you have? Written? or handshake?
If written,
Does it say "Sole and exclusive rights to take deer on (Name of land)"
If yes you have real grounds to complain, if not then you will never win.
If handshake
Well, you decide if you stay or go.

Oh, and bear in mind if push comes to shove the owner could kick you into touch- not a fair or just reaction - but a consequence of any stance you take.

Mo types faster

and says almost what I have

 

[Akeld]

Not sure of your agreement with the land owner, but using you equipment is out of order, any vehicles-disconnect the battery, as for the highseats-try and come up with some sort of climb prevention system (piece of board padlocked around ladders to stop access perhaps)

 

[Mr dippy]

Get your evidence check your lease to see if it is sole stalking occupancy, if so, present him with the facts, bearing in mind he has allowed another stalker on site, then ask for a reduced rent back dated since the other stalker has been involved, that will make his eyes open, be nice and while you have this, go find another piece of ground at your leisure. No need to shoot it out, stalk it and enjoy and plan a Move.

no need for a dispute, if it is not sole stalking ask for a Reduction anyway, and move on at your pace

​MD

 

[V 90 mud]

Written sole stalking lease inc all pest ie foxes rabbits etc .

 

[1st Pattern Paul]

I would get photographic evidence and then tell the farmer that you need to speak to him urgently and explain that there must be someone poaching the land and that now you have the evidence then you can give it to him to hand to the police as it's armed trespass. I would tell him that you are going to the police yourself as well because as far as you are concerned you are the only one with permision on that ground.

Stand back and see how he responds. I bet he goes red. It would be a non-confrontational way of handling the matter. If he admits that he has double let it then express your concern that having not told you then there is a health and safety issue with two guns on the ground at the same time. Then he would have to admit that he has been organising it "behind your back".

On top of that if the guy who's on there has no open cert and doesn't have this ground named on his cert then the police are duty bound to do something about it.

Best of luck.

Paul

 

[Si]

It's a difficult one.... Do you;

A. Confront the landowner, ask for your money back and risk losing your ground?
B. Say nothing to keep the peace?
C. Come to an arrangement with the other bloke and manage the ground together?
D. Shoot the s**t out of the place and move on?

 

[RickoShay]

So far, and forgive the obvious, you have simply said a third party said....
Like others have said, seek and find evidence and then think about what you will/will not do.
Without the facts you are just going to do 'your nut in', and are probably better off out stalking.
​Keep us posted.

 

[V 90 mud]

Evidence so far , high seats visibly been used , mud on runs some brash cleared at base , several areas of foot prints ie base of seats ie also around deer wallows . Vehicle tracks in grass leading to large area of flattened grass plus red deer hair . Farm dog chewing on a red fore leg in farm yard , blood on my block and tackle in larder .reminents of festering grolloch over wall below farm house , access to land through farm yard only . Same person bragging to mutual acquaintances about shooting deer there and also offering very trusted friend some red venison , which he declined when asking were it had come from he named land owner !! This land is 5 hours away from home thus hard to nip in there unfortunately the scroat lives 5 miles away from me thus why names have been named as we know the same people .