Travelling through europe with powder?
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Heym SR20
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The Tunnel or Ferry may be the challenge, and very much depends on how they deem the classification of Hazardousness of Powder.
Look at the conditions of carriage and transport of flammable and hazardous substances, abd compare to “hazardous” warnings on a tub of powder. You will also be bringing them in through customs, so given it would only be worth the hassle if doing in reasonable volume, there will doubtless be a pound of flesh to pay to HMRC.
You would need work all of this out with complex long multiplication maths to determine the position on embuggerance and reward scale. I am not sure that such calcs are embedded on Quickload or other similar ballistic calculators.
A trip to “Bang and Bodget” may be less painful, but the sucking of teeth may make it a close run thing.
Look at the conditions of carriage and transport of flammable and hazardous substances, abd compare to “hazardous” warnings on a tub of powder. You will also be bringing them in through customs, so given it would only be worth the hassle if doing in reasonable volume, there will doubtless be a pound of flesh to pay to HMRC.
You would need work all of this out with complex long multiplication maths to determine the position on embuggerance and reward scale. I am not sure that such calcs are embedded on Quickload or other similar ballistic calculators.
A trip to “Bang and Bodget” may be less painful, but the sucking of teeth may make it a close run thing.
All class 1 goods (explosives) are banned on the tunnel, with the exception of a quantity of personal use ammunition (1.4s). Been that way since the fire in 2008.
last time I asked Dover P&O will allow some 2kg I think it was, but the limit is per ferry, so it must be declared at time of booking and if i remember correctly you must have insurance to cover third party loss should you sink the ferry.
Then you need to check with Dover harbour board, because even if the ferry allows it, the harbour board may not.
Good luck, if you manage it, other than by smuggling it in, let us know.
last time I asked Dover P&O will allow some 2kg I think it was, but the limit is per ferry, so it must be declared at time of booking and if i remember correctly you must have insurance to cover third party loss should you sink the ferry.
Then you need to check with Dover harbour board, because even if the ferry allows it, the harbour board may not.
Good luck, if you manage it, other than by smuggling it in, let us know.
The seller may also need an export licence if you are not a "local". I was told many years ago by a uk powder distributor - pre brexit - that the transport of tons of nitro across europe was straightforward and relatively cheap. As soon as it hit the UK it became a headache.
shakey jake
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Considering custumes cant keep people out or hilux in.
Is there any risk in trying?
Also how can the tunnel ban flamable yet allow petrol cars?
Is there any risk in trying?
Also how can the tunnel ban flamable yet allow petrol cars?
Greenmist
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I did think of asking someone to take it over on a dinghy
Bavarianbrit
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Gas bottles are also not allowed in the tunnel. If you are passing through Germany when coming back to the UK you have to have their sprengstofferlaubnisschein which you will not get as it comes after passing Germanies reloading exams (I have it so do know) it is not worth the candle. IMO.
The risk if caught smuggling it is likely they would not allow you to travel with it and possibly report you to the police, which may result in you no longer being a fit and proper person to keep firearms.
Tunnel.
Personal vehicle
3.1.2 Firearms: the Carriage of Firearms is RESTRICTED. Firearms (including sporting weapons) are not permitted for Carriage unless accompanied by a valid firearms or shotgun certificate(s) corresponding to the weapon(s) carried.Firearms must be declared to LeShuttle staff at check-in, and/or as otherwise directed.
Before Carriage, Firearms must be disabled by removing the bolt, magazine or other vital operating part. Such parts must be kept separate from the firearms and concealed from view. Firearms and parts must be stored securely at all times.
3.1.3 Ammunition: The Carriage of ammunition is RESTRICTED. The quantity of ammunition carried must be kept to a minimum. Ammunition must be stored securely and separately from any firearm and concealed from view.
3.1.4 Explosives: The Carriage of explosives is PROHIBITED.
3.1.5 Weapons: The Carriage of weapons of any kind is RESTRICTED.
3.2 Any Vehicle carrying Firearms, ammunition, explosives or weapons must be presented for a security check in accordance with the Channel Tunnel Security Order 1994. LeShuttle reserves the right to refuse Carriage to any Vehicle that may in LeShuttle's sole opinion, present a risk to the health, safety or security of other passengers, staff or Shuttle operations.
3.3 Further information relating to the Carriage of Hazardous Articles is available on LeShuttle's website.
The Carriage of Dangerous and Hazardous Goods and Hazardous Articles
Legal information about the carriage of dangerous and hazardous goods and substances.
www.leshuttle.com
Then this is commercial freight regulations, as you see only 15kg NEQ of 1.4s
P&O
DFDS
section 12
DFDS may accept vehicles carrying Hunting and Sporting weapons or ammunition under certain controlled conditions. You must declare the carriage of firearms, weapons and ammunition and provide proof of legality for their carriage by disclosing the type of license/certificate held if applicable. This must be done at the booking stage. To comply with strict compliance and conditions, passengers must fill out the Notification of Carriage of Weapons/Ammunition Code 100 form at least 24 hours before travel, this can be provided at the booking stage by contacting us direct. Please also note the import regulations of the respective country.
For more information regarding carrying dangerous goods, please see section 12 in our Terms and Conditions
So nothing other than ammunition and limited quantities.
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shakey jake
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I thought only black powder was classed as an explosive?The risk if caught smuggling it is likely they would not allow you to travel with it and possibly report you to the police, which may result in you no longer being a fit and proper person to keep firearms.
Tunnel.
Personal vehicle
3.1.2 Firearms: the Carriage of Firearms is RESTRICTED. Firearms (including sporting weapons) are not permitted for Carriage unless accompanied by a valid firearms or shotgun certificate(s) corresponding to the weapon(s) carried.Firearms must be declared to LeShuttle staff at check-in, and/or as otherwise directed.
Before Carriage, Firearms must be disabled by removing the bolt, magazine or other vital operating part. Such parts must be kept separate from the firearms and concealed from view. Firearms and parts must be stored securely at all times.
3.1.3 Ammunition: The Carriage of ammunition is RESTRICTED. The quantity of ammunition carried must be kept to a minimum. Ammunition must be stored securely and separately from any firearm and concealed from view.
3.1.4 Explosives: The Carriage of explosives is PROHIBITED.
3.1.5 Weapons: The Carriage of weapons of any kind is RESTRICTED.
3.2 Any Vehicle carrying Firearms, ammunition, explosives or weapons must be presented for a security check in accordance with the Channel Tunnel Security Order 1994. LeShuttle reserves the right to refuse Carriage to any Vehicle that may in LeShuttle's sole opinion, present a risk to the health, safety or security of other passengers, staff or Shuttle operations.
3.3 Further information relating to the Carriage of Hazardous Articles is available on LeShuttle's website.
The Carriage of Dangerous and Hazardous Goods and Hazardous Articles
Legal information about the carriage of dangerous and hazardous goods and substances.
Then this is commercial freight regulations, as you see only 15kg NEQ of 1.4s
P&O
DFDS
section 12
DFDS may accept vehicles carrying Hunting and Sporting weapons or ammunition under certain controlled conditions. You must declare the carriage of firearms, weapons and ammunition and provide proof of legality for their carriage by disclosing the type of license/certificate held if applicable. This must be done at the booking stage. To comply with strict compliance and conditions, passengers must fill out the Notification of Carriage of Weapons/Ammunition Code 100 form at least 24 hours before travel, this can be provided at the booking stage by contacting us direct. Please also note the import regulations of the respective country.
For more information regarding carrying dangerous goods, please see section 12 in our Terms and Conditions
So nothing other than ammunition and limited quantities.
From your link it doesnt appear to be prohibited.
My initial post was a bit tongue in cheek
Heym SR20
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Have a look at the warning labels on the back of can of powder and you will see it’s classification.
Heym SR20
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Further Google Enquiry of the penalties and definition of explosive in the eyes of the law - Crown Prosecution Service
I would suggest that trying to transport powder without proper authority and documentation would result in lengthy interviews without tea and biscuits. I am not sure the risk is worthing saving a few £ on a can of powder.
Explosives | The Crown Prosecution Service
Key parts and definitions
Explosive substance
Section 9 of the ESA 1883 provides the definition of “explosive substance”. This includes “any materials for making any explosive substance; also any apparatus, machine, implement, or materials used, or intended to be used, or adapted for causing, or aiding in causing, any explosion in or with any explosive substance; also any part of any such apparatus, machine, or implement.” “Explosive” is not defined in the legislation.InR v Wheatley[1979] 1 WLR 144 it was held that “explosive” for the purposes of the 1883 Act should be construed in light of the meaning provided for by section 3 of the Explosives Act 1875:
“…gunpowder, nitroglycerine, dynamite, gun-cotton, blasting powders, fulminate of mercury or of other metals, coloured fires and every other substance, whether similar to those above mentioned or not, used or manufactured with a view to producing a practical effect by explosion or a pyrotechnic effect; and includes fog-signals, fireworks, fuzes, rockets, percussion caps, detonators, cartridges, ammunition of all description, and every adaptation or preparation of an explosive as above defined.”
The court in R v Bouch [1982] 3 WLR 673confirmed that a petrol bomb (a bottle containing petrol with a wick) was an explosive substance.
Alternative offences, set out below, provide for their own definition of what an “explosive” (or other prohibited article) is.
any hazardous goods classed as class 1 is explosive, hence powder is 1.3 UN0161 black power is 1.1
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