Tree damage

jb7x57

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Any ideas on what this is there are red and roe in the area but there has been cattle and sheep loose as next doors fencing was down
Only a 60 yd square area in 1000 acres of woodland affected
 

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baguio

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Any ideas on what this is there are red and roe in the area but there has been cattle and sheep loose as next doors fencing was down
Only a 60 yd square area in 1000 acres of woodland affected
Looks a long way off the floor from the photos. What height up is it?
 

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Freeforester

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Bark stripping, ancient and new, the answer is below ground (trace element deficiencies), not necessarily by the red deer, though.
 

snake_2586

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The older damage I don't know, but the fresh damage looks to be sheep stripping the bark to me as there are clear teeth mark.

This is sheep damage on a willow tree and a hazel bush as a comparison.

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jb7x57

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It’s new Galloway area
Not seen any goats in the area definitely no sika
20% of the damage is old the rest is recent
Damage is on average 1 mtr from the ground although one Is 1.7 metres from the ground
 

User00025

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It’s new Galloway area
Not seen any goats in the area definitely no sika
20% of the damage is old the rest is recent
Damage is on average 1 mtr from the ground although one Is 1.7 metres from the ground
You think there are no Sika there!! It would really surprise you then to know I handled a hybrid from within a few miles of there 25 years ago. It was a mature stag that had been holding Red hinds. Sika antlers, Red head, Sika body and white hock glands. There have been Sika in Galloway for years, all you need is a West wind and hinds in season, 20 miles is nothing to a randy little black stag.There were also some Sika the other side of Newton Stewart.
 

jb7x57

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Never seen any sika in the area or surrounding areas and I’ve managed the estate for 28 years now
I do manage a estate that is predominantly sika in Inverness though
Forester is sure it’s red and want all shot on site and lamped as well but I don’t think it is and there are only about 10 hinds on there as the fc around us kill everything on site
 

jb7x57

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No horses on the land
The width of the teeth marks look to wide for deer and the marks are more downward deer are usually upwards with the lower teeth
 

NickJ

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At that height (if no sika) it could be red or sheep. Mend the fence...if it continues it's red!
 

NickJ

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You think there are no Sika there!! It would really surprise you then to know I handled a hybrid from within a few miles of there 25 years ago. It was a mature stag that had been holding Red hinds. Sika antlers, Red head, Sika body and white hock glands. There have been Sika in Galloway for years, all you need is a West wind and hinds in season, 20 miles is nothing to a randy little black stag.There were also some Sika the other side of Newton Stewart.
Less sika and hybrids than there was in the area Brock as the FLS have had a real purge on them over the past 20 years or so. However the DNA study from 3 years ago says 'too little too late..'
 

User00025

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Less sika and hybrids than there was in the area Brock as the FLS have had a real purge on them over the past 20 years or so. However the DNA study from 3 years ago says 'too little too late..'
The only thing is that in my time the FC called everything in D&G either Red or Roe with the odd Fallow. They were killing Sika then and Hybrids in the area, if you knew the Rangers well. You and I know that a purge doesn't work with Sika and as you say too little too late. When you talked to people like the late Ronnie Rose and he tells you a Sika stag lived in a 50 acre forest block without leaving it, it tells you that these animals can be there in numbers without you seeing them.
I had a block in the Border hills, in Eight years I saw one Sika hind, shot two Sika stags and one hybrid, and I lived 100 yards from the forest. Now some 12 years later it's heaving with Sika as is the length of the Tweed valley, Southern Lanarkshire and D&G. If one can shoot a hybrid stag with Red hinds 20 years ago at Wanlockhead, Sika had been out in Red country for some time. My case rests.🤗 No more to say.
 
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