It’s very well and good saying just pin the shoulders because the bullet damage is minimal, but mine and many other game dealers will still dock you for wasted shoulders regardless. So yes, if you only shoot a handful go ahead, but if you shoot large numbers and carcass money is a significant part of your income pinning shoulders on all your deer isn’t an option
that's a fair comment
thank you to the 2x guys above who posted pic / diagram ..... I'm a dyed in the wool behind the shoulder / engine room shot ....99.999% of time with occasional head shot under strict conditions..... yes I've f*cked up before and blown jaw off a beast and it wasn't a pleasant experience and left me feeling disgusted with myself even tho it was rectified and dealt with ..
i shoot Roe 99% of time and its amazing how many folk are happy with copper but then myself and friends have spoken to people ..one who has been on copper for good 10yrs professionally and has seen pretty much most of the ones available and mostly on reds ...and the amount which pencilled beasts ran on as if untouched but keeled over is significant but then another person can use same bullet and it blows up spectacularly ( between ribs on entry NOT bone) then basically blows out the shoulder on exit side ....
this gentlemans long term view is in his own opinion Barnes TTSX seem to be ones he would go for.
lot of variables
and big one is beast itself .. is it aware your there ? / geared up for flight or fight mode or totally relaxed unawares
I've seen accuracy on paper and its spectacular in many cases no doubt of that .... i just wonder as said above we need to reconsider standard bullet placement from a traditional behind the shoulder shot to one as dictated to above by diagram & pic .... ill need to try them myself
that said i had lead pencil on roe in couple of cases regarding ammo ....on was 100grn PPU in .25-06 ...accurate enough minute of deer bout 1" grouping but bit hard and pencilled like a knitting needle so even though it was cheap at time i went back to homeloads
I've got Barnes 101LRX & Fox 100grn in my .25-06 to try .... found a load that's reasonable in both and not much between them in accuracy so i just need to go shoot some deer with said bullets and see what if any difference with regards to carcass damage
going back to gent above that relies on carcass returns as part of income id be curious to know
those who in same boat if shooting copper and gamedealing carcasses/ monies back.... what shot placement do you use?
I'm registered food business and EHO approved but dealing with low numbers and id prefer a beast on deck / bit of damage to a runner
lots of variables .. lots of opinions but loving the discussion and learning with new stuff / bullets
cheers
Paul
This buck calf had a section of gut blown out of the RH exit hole. Barnes TTSX 110gr .270.
